The $55 medical fee

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The $55 medical fee

Post by delta1 » Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:32 pm

I'm sure somewhere on here is another post asking the same thing.

For years I've paid it when TC decides to bill me. Just wondering what happens if I whereat never pay it?

Many people I've talked to claim they never have and never will pay it. Does / can it actually go to collections?

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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by cdnpilot77 » Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:46 pm

Yes...and if you continue to not pay it, they can and will deduct it from your tax refund or other tax benefits....from recent experience.
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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by DanWEC » Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:46 pm

You must have just hit the 4 year mark like I did. ;)
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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by Jack Klumpus » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:29 am

I hit the 3 year mark, and was sent the usual warning letters that within 20 days they will send it to the credit bureau, collection agencies, and revenue canada.
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Post by esp803 » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:34 am

4 years for me.

$220

I think with inflation I end up ahead.... haha

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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by Top_Gun » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:04 am

5 years for me!!
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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by justwork » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:51 am

Just paid $200+ to them. They must have sent out the letters together
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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by Taiser » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:46 am

It's quite the scam IMHO. First you pay for getting the medical because it's third party. OK I can see that and thankfully a lot of CAME's out there don't rape us on fees, although I did visit one or two over the years that were pretty expensive!!! Then a medical dude at TC "reviews" the file??? Why have a CAME at all then if you don't trust their judgement? Why not just have the form filled out by my family doc and then the TC doc can review it to "aviation standards"?

My last medical TC wanted "clarifications" and I had to go back to my family doc for that AND see an optometrist. Thank god my family doc is good guy and didn't charge me for the follow up and letter he had to write but I did get dinged again at the eye doc for what turned out, of course, to be nothing! He thought that their request was stupid, but I told him "Hey, it's Transport Canada!!" :(

They only sent me the 55$ bill after they "approved" the medical though. Of course, during this time my new license arrived with the wrong medical date on it so I had to go back to my CAME and get the new license stamped because TC would not send me a new sticker unless I paid for it?!?!?? They recommend I just keep both licenses in my pocket to prove my medical validity if my doc wouldn't stamp my book again... What a bunch of retards...

What I want to know is why there is not a "standard" federally recognized medical protocol. For instance, I also have a commercial drivers license that needs a medical every few years. Why can't they have a set standard so that I could show my cat 1 or cat 3 medical and have that recognized as an equivalent? My driver's medical is usually about $160.00!!! Now that I'm getting older the requirements for these medicals is going to get more frequent and this will be getting pretty expensive eventually to keep these things valid!! :(
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Post by Cap'n Tripps » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:22 am

Taiser wrote: My driver's medical is usually about $160.00!!! Now that I'm getting older the requirements for these medicals is going to get more frequent and this will be getting pretty expensive eventually to keep these things valid!! :(
If you're in Ontario, MTO is supposed to recognize your TC medical. When you go to the office to renew tell them it's in their policy manual for medical reports, Section MR-522, which states "certification portion of valid pilots license acceptable".

I believe the TC medical has to have been within the previous 30 days, maybe up to 90, can't remember right now, but I'm in the same boat. Had to fight to have my last one accepted.

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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by makmoco » Fri May 05, 2017 12:26 pm

I just had my renewal done and the CAME charged me a lot of money, and after, I got charged by TC also which was big surprise.

Does anyone know if I'm gonna receive a letter or document from TC as with the 1st time I did it? I received a little Medical Certificate; or will I just live forever on the stamp on the logbook?
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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by Blueontop » Fri May 05, 2017 3:51 pm

They withheld issuing my type rating last month until I paid the $55 fee from last year. So they also seem to be doing that as well.
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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by 7ECA » Fri May 05, 2017 4:02 pm

Subpart 4 — Charges

General

104.01 Subject to section 104.03, the charge imposed in respect of the issuance, renewal, amendment or endorsement or, in the case of a medical certificate, the processing, on or after January 1, 1998 of a document referred to in column I of an item of Schedules I to VII to this Subpart is the charge set out in column II of the item.

SOR/97-542, s. 1.
104.02 As provided by paragraph 4.4(2)(b) of the Act, if a document referred to in column I of an item of Schedules I to VII to this Subpart is not issued, renewed, amended or endorsed but action preparatory thereto has been carried out, the charge calculated in accordance with section 104.01, 104.03 or 104.04 is payable.

SOR/97-542, s. 1.
And;
Payment

104.05 Subject to section 104.06, a charge imposed under this Subpart is payable in Canadian dollars at the time the service is commenced.

SOR/97-542, s. 1.
104.06 A charge is payable in Canadian dollars within 30 days after the date indicated on each invoice presented by the Minister for the service, in the case of a charge imposed in respect of

(a) the processing of medical certificates referred to in item 21 of Schedule IV to this Subpart;...
Basically, if you get a bill - pay it or we'll inconvenience you until you are forced to pay.
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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by bald seagull » Fri May 05, 2017 4:52 pm

The fee has been around for years - part of being a pilot, folks.

Can't afford to pay it? Change careers.
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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by trey kule » Fri May 05, 2017 5:36 pm

The fee has been around for years- part of being a pilot, folks

Can't afford to pay it? Change careers.
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Actually, I can afford it if I get mugged and the guy steals $55.00 .
But that does not mean what the mugger does is right, or that I should accept it because I can afford it.

The fee was "sold" to us originally to pay for the AIP.
Well that has gone, but the fee has stayed. So typical of a government.
When the govt cant tax anymore, they resort to fees. And they rely on the sheeple meekly accepting it. In your case because you feel it is part of being a pilot, and if you can afford it, just hand the money over.

No politician will ever go to bat for its removal, and you can bet no one at TC will ever do the right thing and drop it because they no longer are providing what they promissed for it..

But hey, you can afford it right! So just roll over and pay.
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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by Cat Driver » Fri May 05, 2017 5:42 pm

The fee has been around for years - part of being a pilot, folks.

Can't afford to pay it? Change careers.
Wow....so typical Canadian it is breath taking.

I sure would not fly with anyone who does not understand the meaning of extortion.
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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by 5x5 » Sat May 06, 2017 8:00 am

Trey, please provide evidence that this fee was ever officially presented as specifically for the production of the old AIP. Certainly that's the old pilot tale that circulates every time this comes up but I do not recall it ever being stated in any official correspondence. I do recall it being explained as a processing/administration fee that was tied to the cycle of the medical issuance and in the old days one of the tangible administration activities was issuing the AIP. Today there are other activities that still require funding and likely that's where the money goes.

Do I like paying the fee - of course not. But I'm realistic enough to realize that if it wasn't charged the revenue shortfall would fall elsewhere and other taxes would have to cover it.
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Post by Illya Kuryakin » Sat May 06, 2017 4:13 pm

I've never paid it. Ever. Thought about it, but nope. BTW its age discrimination. 110$ a year for some of us. It's extortion, as Cat says.
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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by mantogasrsrwy » Sat May 06, 2017 4:32 pm

If they sent me an invoice like in the old days I would pay it and submit it to the company. Now days they seem to skip the invoice and just send me a threatening overdue notice many months later. I used to pay when the invoice came, now I pay when the threatening overdue notice comes. Are we supposed to just pay with no invoice? Am I missing something? I completely forgot until now my company owes them $55.
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Post by Cat Driver » Sat May 06, 2017 4:41 pm

Do I like paying the fee - of course not. But I'm realistic enough to realize that if it wasn't charged the revenue shortfall would fall elsewhere and other taxes would have to cover it.
There was a time when " ALL " T.C. services were covered by our Federal taxes and " ALL " T.C. check rides and exams were covered by our taxes, there was zero extra charges for any service provided.

However as time passes they hire more drones and the more they hire the more they raise taxes ( Service fees are taxes...period. )

Eventually the drones will outnumber the working bees in the hive and the hive will die.
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Post by trey kule » Sat May 06, 2017 5:21 pm

Thought about it, but nope. BTW its age discrimination. 110$ a year for some of us. It's extortion, as Cat says.
A good idea is a good idea.
I think an email is in order..discrimination it is..

And 5x5. As it happens I have no dog in this fight. You may be correct. It is not important enough for me to research, but, like others, I do remember when it started.

The fact that old pilots pay twice as much a year as younger pilots is worth persuing.
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Post by confusedalot » Sat May 06, 2017 6:07 pm

Anyone out there figure that the public service is a self serving institution?

Disclosure, I do.

It would be nice to think that these individuals would be at the service of the population, suspect that is not the real situation.

The more you pay, the better it is for them. To the barricades LOL!
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Re: The $55 medical fee

Post by Cat Driver » Sat May 06, 2017 6:56 pm

One only has to look at what is going on in Venezuela to see what the citizens finally resort to when socialism gets out of hand, Canada could eventually get in the same mess.
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Post by Rockie » Sun May 07, 2017 6:07 am

Cat Driver wrote:One only has to look at what is going on in Venezuela to see what the citizens finally resort to when socialism gets out of hand, Canada could eventually get in the same mess.
You think paying the administration fees on your own licence is socialism, but getting everybody else to pay for it is not?
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Post by Cat Driver » Sun May 07, 2017 6:56 am

You think paying the administration fees on your own licence is socialism, but getting everybody else to pay for it is not?

No, you should get some reading comprehension lessons Rockie.

I said our taxes paid the TC employees to do their job and there were no service fees.

The extra taxes called service fees came to be because the government has become so bloated with drones the taxes have to be raised to pay them.
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Post by Rockie » Sun May 07, 2017 7:33 am

While service fees were not charged the debt continued to rise. Service charges helped in their own small way to balancing the budget back then. Excuse me for thinking you were commenting on service fees and not your usual rant against socialism being the end of the world.
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