Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

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Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by Big Bird » Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:31 pm

Good morning everyone,

I just got a call from the boss about a N registered aircraft coming into play. To my understanding I need to do the following:

1. Letter of verification (done thru Oklahoma - how long can this take?)
2. FAA medical (anyone in Mississauga-Toronto)?
3. Conversion test (What study guild is recommended Dauntless or Gliem? Can I do the written in Toronto?
4. Submit paper work thru FSDO (do they issue a ATP stamp immediately)
5. Is a ride required? Where? (CYYZ based)
6. Any nice to know timbits going into this project that get's missed?

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for everyone's help.
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by Whiskey25 » Fri Dec 19, 2014 11:53 pm

I'm slowly trying to do the same thing.

You can apply for the Verification Letter using the online form and email it to Oklahoma; definitely speeds up the process significantly.

More good info here:

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... =3&t=94860

I have heard Gliem offers an online version of the Study guide, but not 100% sure.

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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by ajet32 » Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:02 pm

Gleim offers a good on line study guide. As the FAA inspector who reviewed my application said they always stick in a question or 2 from the regular ATP test bank to keep you honest.
The process when I did mine in February of 2014 was as described, verification letter, medical write exam make appointment. Everything on your TC licence /medical must line up with the Verification letter.
I have been told that a new regulation came into effect regarding the ATP licence in the USA. It requires a course and a minimum amount of 2 crew simulator time to be accredited before you can receive the ATP. I don't know if this applies to the TC/FAA conversion but some colleagues here in the west ran up against a wall when looking at getting their FAA to operate a new company aircraft. Large US built executive jet, 2 crew type rating and the standard training.
Check with the FSDO nearest you to get their take on the new regulation. It applies to anyone who applies for the ATP in the regular way, time, exam ride etc.. It doesn't outline whether this applies to the conversion.

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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by Jasper » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:41 pm

I did it about 18 months ago using the Rochester FSDO and there was no flight test or simulator required. Apply for a Licence Validation online, study for the test. Write it (I did it at a facility in the Toronto area), get your US Medical (Randy Knipping in YYZ but there are many others), head to your predetermined FSDO with all paperwork and logbook. Walk away with US ATP.
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by JBI » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:57 pm

Recent discussions by senior Transport representatives at ATAC suggested that the new simulator time and other new requirements is something that will apply to transfer applications. I do not have first hand knowledge of this process though.
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by StandingBy » Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:46 pm

Converted earlier this year with no check ride. Used the Gliem, as did a few collegues, and sailed through the exam.i spent about 70 hours on the study materials, but I had the time to spare. I think you could pass the exam with much less.
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by Chaxterium » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:59 pm

StandingBy wrote:Converted earlier this year with no check ride.
When earlier this year did you convert? The sim requirements came into effect in July or August I believe.
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by riaz6668 » Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:04 pm

Hey spoke to my FAA guy who converted my TC CPL to FAA....i am not in the process of converting my TC ATPL to FAA ATP, his words were "at this time, there has been no changes for the one to one conversion from Transport Canada to FAA"

Gleim's hands down is the best as well!

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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by trey kule » Sat Jan 17, 2015 12:49 pm

I thought I should update this as two of our pilots just returned.
The new conversion test will not be out until sometime in February, so conversion, at this time is not available as far as we can tell.
I will be contacting Oklahoma about it on Monday and if there is a change will post
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by Stinky » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:50 pm

I think you'll have a bit of a problem. I did mine about a year ago. I went in again to add a type rating and the person working at the FSDO mentioned that I was lucky I did it when I did because the new regs came into play July 31st.

Theres a box at the bottom that must be checked now that says "ATP CTP Graduation Certificate"

The application form is here http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/medi ... 1-2014.pdf

She told me this is a requirement and Canadians are only able to get a commercial at this time unless they have this course.
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by Stinky » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:54 pm

Here's a quick idea of the course you need. Someone posted a comment at the bottom wondering if there was a loophole using a Canadian ATP and the response was no.

http://www.airlinepilotinfo.com/how-reg ... uirements/
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by trey kule » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:16 pm

That is not my understanding...but rather than toss out something unstantiated, I will be talking with Oklahoma on Tuesday (Monday is a holiday in the US), and ask for written clarification. Will post the response.
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by ajet32 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:51 am

I spoke with an FAA inspector at the sim recently. His take on the changes from August first is that the transfer/conversion program was finished and anyone wanting an FAA ATP would require the course and simulator hours. H e seemed to think if you already had sim training for a type rating that would suffice.
I don't know if this is the new rule or just his take from his FSDO,( Rochester, N.Y. ).
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by trey kule » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:18 am

I spoke with the FAA in Oklahoma this morning. The conversion as it was is done.
The FAA website is not up to date.

To convert now is a major task. 10 hours of sim in an over 40000# sim, though you might be able to use your latest sim check...no one really knows. At this time there are only five conversion centers offering the course.

the changes all took effect August 1, although I personally got mine converted after that time.

But as of right now the previous exam has been cancelled at all the test centers,
The Gleim course is absolutely of no value now.

If you are in the process, please feel free to call the FAA and voice your displeasure.
Their toll free number in Oklahoma is 866 878 2498.
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by Combine Pilot » Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:57 pm

After getting bounced around the FAA Airman Certification office for a week or so, I finally got ahold of an examiner to explain the new rules.

In Short, to convert a Canadian ATPL to an FAA ATPL is $5000.00 USD($6000 cad), by the New ATP CTP course offered at one of these five training centers:
1. Embry Riddle Florida, - $5000
2. ABX Air , Ohio - $4500
3. CAE Simuflight, ?
4. ExpressJet - $5000
5. AeroSim $ 5000

The new ATP CTP course must be done PRIOR to writing the new knowledge exam. The old knowledge exam was test Code ACP which has now been changed to the new ACM test this month.

The problem with this, is that I already have 6500 hrs, in addition to experience on everything from a Cessna Citation to the Boeing 777.I also have almost 400 hours of Level D sim time. I've written the Airman Certification branch a long letter explaining the new requirements are grossly unjustified, and completely unobtainable for someone with my experience wanting to convert under the Reciprocal FAA/TC Agreement.

if ANYONE has a better idea, or a cheaper approach please contact me.

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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by rico-db9 » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:05 am

I just had a conversation with licensing at Transport Canada.

I informed them of this roadblock the FAA has thrown up to essentially block Canadian ATPL holders from converting to FAA ATP. They are aware of it as well as the Ottawa folks.

I expressed my DEEP concern about this is completely unfair and is an obstructionist policy imposed by the FAA.

It is now required that ATPL holders take a USD$5,000 course (plus a flight and week in a hotel) which totals likely close to a US$10,000 fee in front of Canadian flyers while US ATP holders merely have to come to Canada and write a $100 test.

WHAT A RIP!!!

The lady at Transport Canada suggested that US... ALL OF US... Need to get off out asses and write a letter into Transport objecting to this roadblock thrown up by the FAA.

Canada should be exempt from this stupid certificate. We have enjoyed free trade in aviation since long before the free trade agreements even existed. It was one unique area that was open. NOW THIS!!!

The squeaky wheel folks.

Stand by for an email address and or fax number and send in a NICELY worded complaint.

R
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by Teamflyer » Fri May 01, 2015 9:28 pm

Any update to this process? Does the TC/FAA circular still in effect? What's the process like to convert TC CPL to FAA CPL and TC ATPL to FAA ATPL these days?
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by johngalt » Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:16 pm

What is the latest on this? Still have to do the $5k course etc?
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by cdnpilot77 » Mon Aug 31, 2015 6:05 pm

I was at CAE in Dallas back in July and asked this question and they confirmed that it is still a requirement to do the sim training in a 2 crew >40,000lb aircraft.
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by johngalt » Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:29 pm

So as I understand it if you get the right job you can bypass the need for this course?
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by Panama Jack » Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:47 pm

rico-db9 wrote:I just had a conversation with licensing at Transport Canada.

I informed them of this roadblock the FAA has thrown up to essentially block Canadian ATPL holders from converting to FAA ATP. They are aware of it as well as the Ottawa folks.

I expressed my DEEP concern about this is completely unfair and is an obstructionist policy imposed by the FAA.

It is now required that ATPL holders take a USD$5,000 course (plus a flight and week in a hotel) which totals likely close to a US$10,000 fee in front of Canadian flyers while US ATP holders merely have to come to Canada and write a $100 test.

WHAT A RIP!!!

The lady at Transport Canada suggested that US... ALL OF US... Need to get off out asses and write a letter into Transport objecting to this roadblock thrown up by the FAA.

Canada should be exempt from this stupid certificate. We have enjoyed free trade in aviation since long before the free trade agreements even existed. It was one unique area that was open. NOW THIS!!!

The squeaky wheel folks.

Stand by for an email address and or fax number and send in a NICELY worded complaint.

R

I feel your pain, however, it is not a practice by the FAA specifically directed at Canadian applicants. It is a requirement for all FAA ATP applicants. Yes, I know it is unfortunate and, as always, those who beat the deadline won (grandfathering is a beautiful thing in aviation).

Good luck trying to get the FAA to change it. If they did, it would leave a backdoor open for all FAA Commercial Pilots to go convert their qualifications to the Canadian equivalent, write a couple of written exams, and come back with a Canadian ATP to convert to an FAA one, thereby circumventing the objective of the regulatory changes the FAA imposed.

I am not saying that I agree with the FAA requirement. It just is what it is. Heck, a few years ago a Transport Canada official was musing that Canada needs to require that all ATP applicants do a checkride in a 2-crew aircraft (essentially, a Type Rating) to keep Canada's ATP in-line with ICAO standards.
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by cdnpilot77 » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:25 pm

johngalt wrote:So as I understand it if you get the right job you can bypass the need for this course?
If you mean by "right job" you mean only needs a CPL, then yes
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by johngalt » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:57 pm

was thinking there might be two options for me.

first one is to go through this conversion process and pay for the 5k training

another option seems to be to convert my license to the FAA CPL. Write the conversion test. Then go write the FAA ATP tests. I see horizon just wants a guy to have his ATP test written for their first office position. So would I be correct in assuming their training program would allow me to get the FAA ATP?
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by cdnpilot77 » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:47 pm

Even if you convert to CPL first, you can't sit the exams until you've done the sim course.
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Re: Converting Canadian ATPL to FAA ATP

Post by Stinky » Thu Sep 03, 2015 8:02 am

Some companies are offering to pay for the course for you. Here's one:

http://www.flycommutair.com/#!pilots/c1nnf
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