Would you fly in an f-35 over ISIS territory?

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Would you fly in an f-35 over ISIS territory?

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http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/03 ... -official/

Just a thought I had while reading the above article. I'd probably be a lil cozier in a twin though
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Sure. Let's get going though I'm not getting any younger here.
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JDW wrote:http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/03 ... -official/

Just a thought I had while reading the above article. I'd probably be a lil cozier in a twin though
They fly hundreds of F-16 sorties daily (the coalition). You bet I would. It's a more efficient killing machine.
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Yup more killing from the air is so going to make everything better in that region of the world :roll:
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Yeah, I wouldn't fly anything over there... and while I support our troops to the man I don't support the mission the dictator has them on now
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Big Pistons Forever wrote:Yup more killing from the air is so going to make everything better in that region of the world :roll:
This isn't within my control. We are tasked to do a mission. I want the best aircraft to do it. The F-35 once FOC is it.
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This conversation is going no-where fast.

Let's have a bunch of people who know nothing of tactics, or tactics used against Cold War era enemy.

Please, go on.

When, I go over there, and if I get shot down, I'm not going to be captured alive. My M9 and all my magazines will be empty.
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Instead of being a condescending kind of guy why not enlighten us to how it really is... I mean you seem to know it all so why not share the wealth?

I believe it was our strategy to disrupt the middle east and allow an Islamic State to develop, then roll through with the help of Iran, clean up the Muslim mess and marginalize Saudi Arabia and Russia at the same time...

I mean.. if you look at the impact of our mid eastern policy it seems logical.
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Those are not tactics, they would be political motives. From there, military commanders devise strategies. To execute strategies, you need operations (FWIW, Iraq is an Operation, Op Inherent Resolve), which will include tactics. Aircraft employ tactics with its sensors and capabilities. The F-35 has superior capabilities when compared to any 4/4.5 Gen fighter, which in turn yields to superior tactics. The original questions was talking about a very tactical issue and has nothing to do with political motives or strategies.

For what it is worth, I have been there, done that.
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My misunderstanding, I though it was an other attempt to speak of a certain issue in an aviation forum. I did not think the question was seriously legit. But I guess it is... Sowwy
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Tactics are how you employ your strategy... political moves are definitely classified as tactics, tactics don't exist only in the vacuum Of actual operations and to de-link tactics from strategy is a very simplistic view
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Tactically... you are dealing with brown people in mud huts surrounded by civilians and armed with Kalashnikovs. A stealth fighter is as good against that as MacBook is good at hammering nails...
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A tactic we seem to be employing is doing just enough to let the world know we don't agree with soft genocide while letting isis clear out their human shields...

Is it easier to fight theM in the hills of Afghanistan, or in a state cleared of any non sympathizing civilians.

Nobody was bitching when we were burning Japan to dust...

See strategy, to clear the state of civilian shields, tactic, allow isis to do that for us.
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Seems like you are an expert on military doctrine....

Strategy is a high level tactic of sort.... Think of Risk. Very big picture.

Tactics are what individual units do on the battlefield. Very small picture. For example, how to employ self-designated Inertially Aided Munitions as a 2-Ship on static targets with simultaneous impact with sufficient target offset to maintain surprise would be a tactic.

Tactical units can have direct strategic or even political impacts (think of an aircraft bombing a school full of kids) and strategic assets can have tactical impact (think of a Global Hawk identifying a target for you).

iflyforpie: detection capabilities, ID capabilities as well as the type of weapons it will use combined with its self-defence suite makes it way better than any 4th gen... But what do I know...
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Tactic is a word and as such has a definition. One does not need to be a military genius to read a Websters.

To define the strategy I reverse engineered it through the impacts of our policy. With Russia tanked, the Saudi in full kiss ass mode and Iran close to being opened up... at the same time as the American economy is starting to kick ass it's obvious the tactics we used let to the success of our stratEgy

As far as tactics go there is no hard rule that the military does anything... Indeed not doing anything is a tactic in itself, so to close down the definition really closes down the understanding.
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Small unit strategy = tactics. Allow us to develop the battlefield, not react. That is why we are losing in other theatres.

How do you ensure a rattlesnake won't bite you? You cut off its head. However it can still bite you up to a hour afterwards. Which is a great metaphor for Iraq.
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Here's US DoD's definition of Tactic:

1. The employment of units in combat. 2. The ordered arrangement and maneuver of units in relation to each other and/or to the enemy in order to use their full potentialities.

Bottom line, it's specific to units.
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Bottom line that definition is specific to the dod and designed for people within their operational control: see fishbowl.

So your bottom line is not really applicable as they redefined the word to suit their situation... ask yourself.. is strategy and tactics in game directly related to the specific military definition? The answer is no because tactics and strategy don't belong to the military, they belong to the language.
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