Anyone had a RAIC pass lately? Wait time?

[cloudskimmer]

They're too busy dealing with who can and can't have a gun...

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/b ... li=AAggNb9

"Bureaucratic gridlock"

[Localizer]

The RCMP use to have the responsibility of granting or denying security clearances, Transport believes they are better suited at determining who is a threat or not. (hence the 500% spike in cancellations and denials of security clearances) An RCMP SIBS (Security Intelligence Background Section) officer provides Transport Canada will all the information they find on you, then they determine your threat status. They seem to heavily focus on LERC reports, (Law Enforcement Record Checks) these are a synopsis of an incident in the responding officers words, which are heavily bias. The problem with LERC's are that you typically don't know they exist, unless you've had known contact with law enforcement.

If Transport revokes or deny's your clearance you have to wait a minimum of 5 years before you can reapply, again no guarantees. The only other option is to appeal to the Federal Court of Canada, good luck with that! They typically give deference to the government and rarely interfere with a ministerial decision, remember these judges are appointed by the government .. why bite the hand that feeds you?

Deference - Judicial deference is the condition of a court yielding or submitting its judgment to that of another legitimate party.

The entire system violates a number of Charter rights, but as the Federal Court has already ruled, your Charter Rights don't trump public safety (or the illusion of it). If you look south of the border American's can't be denied a security clearance based on allegations, only convictions (presumption of innocence), we don't know what threat foreign pilots represent but we allow them greater latitude in Canada then our own citizens.

[Chaxterium]

"Left of track".

Its also discriminatory, if you have spent time in another country or hold a different citizenship
then it is designed to make sure you will not have your RAIC issued in time to be considered for
a position.

I'm not sure where you're getting this. I, as well as everyone else in my hiring class, were hired without having a RAIC. We were told we would be required to get one at some point, but it in no way hindered the hiring process.

[Tailwheelup]

I think you know exactly what I'm getting at and that you don't like the post
because its not what you want to see.


Most airlines require RAIC eligibility. If a group are known to get extensive delays to the
issue of a RAIC it amounts to intimidation by TC, to employers, not to hire those who "might"
be subject to longer issue times for RAICs which are very annoying to Airline management.

You probably don't know if your employer did their own assessment of RAIC eligibility
based on the information you provided.


I'm seeing exactly that discrimination, not with myself but a young lady who was not born in Canada
and just issued landed immigrant status. Several airport companies got her to fill in a RAIC application form
and then weeks later, told her she did not pass the security profile , meaning eligibility for a RAIC within a reasonable time.

That is the hiring companies (not named here) know, that TC would subject this sort of applicant to extensive delays that would be so long that
they either fire the person or the person quits. This is not necessarily just Pilot's RAIC problem.

[Cessna 180]

I got my pass in YEG in 2.5 weeks (never had one before). I was given a search only yellow pass in the mean time. I have no real dealings with the police nor have I traveled anywhere for more than 90 days before and only to the USA in the last 5 years, so I imagine this helps.

Going to be transferring my pass to YTZ in a few weeks so we'll see how that goes...

On the other hand, the whole RAIC thing can be very discriminatory. My friend applied for a job at an FBO and listed on his resume that he did a foreign exchange in Europe in high school. Big mistake. Regardless of spending less that 90 days there (89 days exactly), they didn't offer him the job because they were worried he wouldn't get a RAIC in a reasonable amount of time. Some of their employees have apparently been waiting for over 2 years.

[Confused88]

I’ve been on Yellow Pass since the end of April 2018 and had to get it renewed already until October 2018. Everyone that applied with me got their Red Pass and I seem to be one of the few that don’t have it yet.

I had some incidents with the police and the charges were all dropped by the first appearance in court. Everything charged was related to domestic matters (ex spouse), and I was granted a peace bond. I was never convicted, nor do I have a criminal record. None of the charges were related to drugs or cash, as mentioned; domestic issues.

I was told by GTAA office that RAIC can take upto a year, but I certainly didn’t explain my past of being in custody for something that I was never convicted with.

My question is, to the experienced folks on here; how long do you reckon my application will take to finish being processed and for them to issue a red pass? It’s been about 4 months on yellow pass...

[digits_]

My question is, to the experienced folks on here; how long do you reckon my application will take to finish being processed and for them to issue a red pass? It’s been about 4 months on yellow pass...

4 months is nothing, took me over 11 months. 3 temporary yellow ones. That was because I lived in Europe before. Nothing police related.

I think we are very lucky in Canada that all terrorists wait until they have their red pass before they attempt to take any action

[Tailwheelup]

The responses are exactly what I've been hearing from an airline's RAIC card person. Any male pilot can be the victim of a vindictive female who makes false allegations. No matter how bizarre those allegations are, they run a better than 50% chance of charges, and unfortunately, if charges, a 50% chance of a conviction, based on a "she said".

Most divorces have criminal allegations made for posturing purposes. They are often designed to destroy careers etc. The effect on RAIC applications is horrific. TC effectively make it next to impossible due to their time delays. If you move from one employer to another, the application gets cancelled and then you have to start over again.

With so much movement in the industry, you need to make applying for a RAIC a priority as soon as you agree to be employed. In fact, IF you have an agreement to be employed in the future, it would be a good idea to get the RAIC application started.

TC are playing games, blaming their "partner agencies" for the delays, therefore its not the problem of TC, according to TC. It's a government policy problem.

This is very different from the USA where permanent passes can be issued in a few weeks or a month. Their delays occur when your fingerprints are worn off, or there is a criminal record that needs checking that might extend it beyond that 30 days. They are still issuing TWIC cards to those with a "police record" or "criminal record" inside the 30 days.

Australia's security cards are also issued rapidly. In both the USA and Australia (ASIC), it has to be a serious crime "USA felony" before a TWIC will be refused. Canada on the other hand appears to use a different test. They do not use a Criminal burden of proof but a balance of probabilities that can rely upon, unproven allegations made by an officer that your car was seen parked outside the home of someone involved in drugs or organized crime. But at least, in that case, you get an opportunity to respond or more to the point, demand that they provide you the proof thereof, and if they can't do that then the RAIC gets issued.

While there is some "due process", its a pretense, they create so many delays that they effectively prevent RAIC's from being issued based on the most dubious of information.

At the end of the day, employers will not want to be involved, if an employee discloses an issue that might delay the issue of a RAIC for a year, it can be as good as a permanent refusal to issue a RAIC.

Now one of the posters suggested that you do NOT disclose living overseas. That is obviously incorrect. If your application provides full disclosure, you are safe. If you fail to disclose on an application that is a a red flag that could well justify the non-issue of a RAIC.

[digits_]

If you move from one employer to another, the application gets cancelled and then you have to start over again.

One year ago this was incorrect. I switched employers without problems while I was still on my yellow pass. No extra delays.

[av8ts]

Most divorces have criminal allegations made for posturing purposes.

I’m calling bullshit on this

[Carlgolding312018]

I've Apply for my RAIC since June 12 ,2018 I got a Escort yellow pass on the same day, now its 3 months and I can't get my red pass . I dont have a criminal record in Canada not Jamaica so I dont know what's the hold up ..

[Blueontop]

Most divorces have criminal allegations made for posturing purposes.

I’m calling bullshit on this

I hope the rose coloured tint of “your world” is never peeled off of your eyes...

[EPR]

av8ts wrote: ↑
Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:05 pm

Tailwheelup wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:58 am


Most divorces have criminal allegations made for posturing purposes.

I’m calling bullshit on this

av8ts...I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss this!

[frog]

My last renewal took 8 months. The reason is that I spent over 3 months in Europe during the last 5 years.
At the end of the 8 months I started to call the lady in Ottawa and explained her that I needed my red one in order to fly out of European countries. She told me that she will put my application in the urgent pile and 8 days later it was done.

Call Ottawa !

[av8ts]

Most divorces have criminal allegations made for posturing purposes.

I’m calling bullshit on this

I hope the rose coloured tint of “your world” is never peeled off of your eyes...

I’ll be glad to read the evidence on this. I’ll wait patiently for you to post it