Westjet and Air Canada suspend night flights into Penticton because of trees.

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Westjet and Air Canada suspend night flights into Penticton because of trees.

Post by FlySigi » Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:16 pm

Somebody screwed up. Those trees did not just grow and appear overnight.


http://www.pentictonherald.ca/news/arti ... 8ae84.html


CYYF NOTAM:

160122 CYYF PENTICTON
CYYF THR 16 DISPLACED 626 FT DUE TREES
1582 FT BFR THR 16, 51 FT AGL.
THR 34 DISPLACED 413 FT DUE TREES 1052 FT BFR THR 34, 79 FT AGL.
DECLARED DIST:
RWY 16 TORA 6000 TODA 6600 ASDA 6000 LDA 5374
RWY 34 TORA 6000 TODA 6984 ASDA 6000 LDA 5287
1610142211 TIL APRX 1611301900

160123 CYYF PENTICTON
CYYF PAPI 34 U/S DUE DTHR
1610142225 TIL APRX 1611301900

160124 CYYF PENTICTON
CYYF PAPI 16 U/S DUE DTHR
1610142225 TIL APRX 1611301900

160126 CYYF PENTICTON
CYYF APCH LGT 16 U/S DUE DTHR
1610142240 TIL APRX 1611301900

160127 CYYF PENTICTON
CYYF AMEND LOC/DME B, LOC C AND NDB/NDB A APCH:
NW MSA UNT TO READ: 7900

160128 CYYF PENTICTON
CYYF NDB/NDB A APCH NOT AUTH
1610211400 TIL APRX 1701201800

160129 CYYF PENTICTON
CYYF LOC/DME B APCH NOT AUTH
1610211400 TIL APRX 1701201800

160130 CYYF PENTICTON
CYYF RNAV (GNSS) Y RWY 16 APCH: NOT AUTH
1610281813 TIL APRX 1611301900
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Re: Westjet and Air Canada suspend night flights into Penticton because of trees.

Post by Meddler » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:48 pm

So. No one in penticton can get their chainsaw started?
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Re: Westjet and Air Canada suspend night flights into Penticton because of trees.

Post by ahramin » Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:12 pm

Looks like someone is trying to give YCD a run for their money in the most incompetent airport management department.
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Re: Westjet and Air Canada suspend night flights into Penticton because of trees.

Post by FlySigi » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:41 am

ahramin wrote:Looks like someone is trying to give YCD a run for their money in the most incompetent airport management department.
I don't think you can't beat the Penticton "Airport Management", there is simply no management and Transport Canada isn't doing anything about it.
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Re: Westjet and Air Canada suspend night flights into Penticton because of trees.

Post by ahramin » Mon Oct 31, 2016 8:01 am

Be careful what you wish for. No management sounds way better than the airport management in Nanaimo.
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Re: Westjet and Air Canada suspend night flights into Penticton because of trees.

Post by J31 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:37 am

What trees are they talking about on rwy 16?

Are the trees on the resort on the east side of the airport the problem for rwy 34?

Could be an issue of dealing with private lands that the owners do not want to accommodate.
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Re: Westjet and Air Canada suspend night flights into Penticton because of trees.

Post by 7ECA » Mon Oct 31, 2016 12:52 pm

First it was Nanaimo and Chilliwack, now Penticton. Seems like most smaller airports have decided to just ignore the approach criteria in regard to obstacle clearance.

Then again, we shouldn't comment in anyway about the ability of management companies, because you might get sued...
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Re: Westjet and Air Canada suspend night flights into Penticton because of trees.

Post by brooks » Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:36 am

I believe there was a similar issue in Comox 1 or 2 years ago involving trees being too high and then they couldn't trim them because they found an eagle nest. Rumour was they had to wait for the nesting period to be over before they could trim the trees and lower the mins on the approach.
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Re: Westjet and Air Canada suspend night flights into Penticton because of trees.

Post by Rowdy » Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:20 pm

First and foremost.. The PAPI's are U/S(been out for a good while)... Then throw in the issue of the untrimmed trees. Who of you believe its safe to operator a 705 category aircraft into a strip at night in mountainous terrain sans vertical guidance with an obstacle?

A descent angle of 6.73 degrees? Mins at almost 1500 AGL and 3 miles? Sure sounds stable to me, at night, in the hills...

When will YYF see an appropriate approach?
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