Bombardier exec pay skyrockets.

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Gino Under wrote:
Canadians will never get behind anything Canadian except ice hockey.

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Why should I with one dime of my money? The CEO, and the entire board, should be fired for Gross incompetence.

Why is that a problem for anyone here to see?

If you disagree, Gino, Mail BBD a large cheque. Your money. Not mine.

I would short the stock into oblivion if it wasn't propped up by the government.

The only ones I see defending BBD are useless university academics, who themselves have never run a business, never existed outside a classroom.

They have zero credibility with me.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-twitt ... SKBN17936A

Twitter, an unprofitable US company, -- at least their CEO hasn't been paid in three years. If he took 10 million as BBD's CEO is, they would lynch him. That's how it is down there, and why the US is successful at creating great companies, not the sheer embarrassment Canada is on the world stage, corporately. They don't tolerate continued poor performance, by and large.

And don't bring up the bank bailouts. If they hadn't done that, the entire system would have frozen. And that has been paid back, in spades. BBD will never, ever, pay back the bailouts over the years.

We're not in a financial crisis today anyway, BTW. Economies are roaring. And still BBD can't get out of its own way.
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The US invents great technology, drugs that save lives. Japan and Korea are leaders in cars. Germany, top machinery.

US? With every advantage, a powerhouse customer next door...we do...Pothead technology:

http://business.financialpost.com/news/ ... n-colombia

We signed a major trade deal. In Pot.

http://business.financialpost.com/news/ ... ana-market

Oh, and world class...scams and failed (short) "world class" companies.

Nortel
Bre - X
Valeant
Rim (almost)
BBD (close enough)

Don't complain, Canada. You voted in Mr long hair.

Never mind. I'll just wave my Canadian flag, check my house price again, and sing Kumbaya.
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rookiepilot wrote:...We're not in a financial crisis today anyway, BTW. Economies are roaring...
That's just friggin' hilarious. I'm always amazed at the greed and level of narcissism that Neo-Cons display when it comes to the almighty god that is money, and the glorious utopian system that is capitalism...

I can't wait until I start hearing the misinterpreted quotes from "The Wealth of Nations" next, Adam Smith will be rolling in his grave.
rookiepilot wrote:...The US invents great technology, drugs that save lives...
Right, most of it being the military industrial complex - which is heavily propped up by none other than the US Government. But, hey, Eisenhower was a crackpot. As for drugs, do remember that they are patented and then sold at rates that make it unaffordable for any average person to actually find a cure for what ails them. Not a problem though, just pull yourself up by the bootstraps and get a job - I mean, if you can afford to survive, you should. :roll:
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Greed?

Greed is taking my hard earned money to give to an incompetent CEO making 10 million.

That's greed.

Greed is taking MY money -- and giving it to the CEO of Ontario power corporation for more gross incompetence. That's greed.

Greed is taking my money and giving it to the 100,000+ civil servants in Ontario, making over $100 K per year. That's greed.

Let's get the definitions correct.

When the next recession comes, and people lose their homes -- this will happen -- while the rich civil servants laugh and mock us few productive in the private sector, while telling us to "pay our fair share" -- there will be massive demonstrations. There will be a lot of angry people out there at the waste in this country.
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rookiepilot wrote:
We signed a major trade deal. In Pot.
Well I guess there must be a lot of money in pot, as Tilray have a Gulfstream.
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Ths angers me as a businessman, as it's clear BBD is nothing more than a failed company and a political toy to buy Quebec's loyalty. I've written my MP here, which I have never done before for anything.

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/t ... ndmail.com&

On trains. Blames their customer. Not responsible for anything, are you Bombardier?

Is it so wrong to fire the board and bring in an experienced, hard nosed team to right the ship?
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Um.....drifting off course for exec pay issues but anyways..

First off, as a major exec in another company said, "If your are making money, pay anything you want, if you are supported by taxpayer money, significant pay raises are not ethical".

Hey, I am not the one who said that.

In the big picture, this is becoming another Diefenbaker era situation. I am a history freak, sorry.

So, in my humble circumstances, I feel that an existential decision has to be made. Does Canada really want to play with the giants, who are also supported by public money, or should resources be deployed elsewhere.

And again, as a history freak, the Brits did it and lost big time, they pulled the plug after actually producing great machines that would not find a strong enough international market.

I am going to hide under my desk now. :wink:
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rookiepilot wrote:Greed?

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Let's get the definitions correct.

When the next recession comes, and people lose their homes -- this will happen -- while the rich civil servants laugh and mock us few productive in the private sector, while telling us to "pay our fair share" -- there will be massive demonstrations. There will be a lot of angry people out there at the waste in this country.
Tell us how you really feel, as some poor unappreciated business owner, overburdened by a system that hates success and rewards the poor and lazy. That damned socialist welfare state, sickening really - the poor should just die... :goodman:

As for the "sky rocketing pay" for civil servants, etc, been reading the Fraser Institute/Black Press line again there Rookie?
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There are many ways the government uses our tax contributions and 2 billion isn't a lot of money by any stretch for the GoC. Unless it's in cash sitting on your living room floor, maybe. I could see why the average person would think it's a mountain of money. It isn't.
Look how willing the government was to buy F35s. Not with my hard earned tax dollars you don't! Sent our military to Afghanistan to support the Americans? Not with my tax dollars you don't! (a bit late for that, but we'll get some of it back through a renegotiation of NAFTA)
For some, throwing money at Bombardier is not how they'd like to see their tax dollars spent, I get that.

The TTC kept changing the terms and requirements agreed to with BBD. So did Flexrail. There comes a point in time where the reality in the dispute must be there are two parties doing something questionable to each other. Human nature? Pick a side.

The cat's out of the bag for BBD I'd say. Management of that company was simply overwhelmed due to their lack of qualifications and experience to run a company like BBD, until the present group of executives were recruited last year. The previous executives may have manoeuvred BBD into trouble but the adjustments to operations Bellemare has made have had a positive impact and are actually starting to show improvement and stability for them. He went out early looking for investors. Airbus, Boeing, and Embraer included, but no takers. The Quebec government approached BBD with investment capital and the silly fools accepted it. It took prime minister Turdo and his mates quite awhile to make a similar move with only a third of what they initially said they'd invest. Here's where I diverge and disagree with words being used in this grumble fest.
There are such things as corporate welfare, forgivable loans, loans with interest, and investments.
Neither the Quebec pension fund nor the GoC have given this company anything other than a loan with interest and investment capital with an expected ROI.

To me that's a much better investment for us over burdened tax payers than the thought of buying F35s. A much better solution for aerospace employees and aerospace companies who'd be on the dole if BBD was allowed to implode.

Why are Canadians so near sighted and insecure that they'd rather push for the company's demise over its success?

I agree, the two classes of shares have to go. It would be ideal to have the family out. Certainly preferential to not have them as board members but the reality is, it's their company and unless they sell it it's tough tit for we, the overburdened taxpayers.

Don't kid yourself. Quebec's loyal tax payers are not at all happy with BBD right now. Not at all!
I'm not only an unhappy Quebecker, I'm an unhappy tax payer.
Gino Under :drinkers:

P.S. There's no such thing as "your fair share of taxes". None of us pays a "fair" share.
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7ECA wrote:
rookiepilot wrote:Greed?

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Let's get the definitions correct.

When the next recession comes, and people lose their homes -- this will happen -- while the rich civil servants laugh and mock us few productive in the private sector, while telling us to "pay our fair share" -- there will be massive demonstrations. There will be a lot of angry people out there at the waste in this country.
Tell us how you really feel, as some poor unappreciated business owner, overburdened by a system that hates success and rewards the poor and lazy.?
Exchange the words "poor" for "civil servants" and you're not incorrect. And your views on small business as evil are very common, and what is wrong with this country.

All business is evil. Government is good and benevolent, comrade.

Do you think, 7eca, starting a small business means money just flows from your arse? Only if your a Liberal connected Quebec company.
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... but I'm not bitter
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