VFR NOT RECOMMENDED
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VFR NOT RECOMMENDED
With many pilots getting their weather briefings in the USA digitally, the inability to include the admonition “VFR not recommended” is causing concern to the AOPA who opine that “(the caution) should not be eliminated—as was done in Canada”.
As I have not obtained a weather briefing from FSS in years, I was not aware that “VFR not advised” had been dropped. That being said, neither have I missed its omission. So, I’m wondering the concern of the AOPA is misplaced?
The lead-in paragraph is included below with a link to the article subsequent to that…
“VFR not recommended” is a familiar cautionary statement to generations of pilots who learned to fly in pre-digital times when most weather briefings consisted of a phone call between a pilot and an FAA flight service specialist. For the last 10 years, however, as pilots’ preferences have evolved, phone calls have given way to digital communications for procuring pre-flight weather information. But there is no automated equivalent of the so-called "VFR not recommended" statement in the era of the flight information service-broadcast (FIS-B) and other electronic sources of weather data.
The link:
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all ... um=Content
As I have not obtained a weather briefing from FSS in years, I was not aware that “VFR not advised” had been dropped. That being said, neither have I missed its omission. So, I’m wondering the concern of the AOPA is misplaced?
The lead-in paragraph is included below with a link to the article subsequent to that…
“VFR not recommended” is a familiar cautionary statement to generations of pilots who learned to fly in pre-digital times when most weather briefings consisted of a phone call between a pilot and an FAA flight service specialist. For the last 10 years, however, as pilots’ preferences have evolved, phone calls have given way to digital communications for procuring pre-flight weather information. But there is no automated equivalent of the so-called "VFR not recommended" statement in the era of the flight information service-broadcast (FIS-B) and other electronic sources of weather data.
The link:
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all ... um=Content
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Re: VFR NOT RECOMMENDED
Seems to me like it should be the pilot deciding if he/she can fly VFR, not the weather briefer.
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Redneck_pilot86 wrote:Seems to me like it should be the pilot deciding if he/she can fly VFR, not the weather briefer.
This. I've had weather briefers try to push me into flying VFR when there was a chance of VIS 1/8 SM snow in basically my whole flying area in a VFR only airplane
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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It's presumably just a recommendation, for the pilots who aren't adept at interpreting the weather themselves.Redneck_pilot86 wrote:Seems to me like it should be the pilot deciding if he/she can fly VFR, not the weather briefer.
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Sounds like it's going the way of "stay alert and watch for other aircraft" which closed every hourly wx transmission from flight service in the bygone years. It is also apparent to me people need reminding to so in this day of ipads and radios.
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Although, I do like that little voice telling me that maybe it's a good day to sit in the hangar and enjoy a beer. Not that I always heed their advice but it may help someone who has get-home-itis.Redneck_pilot86 wrote:Seems to me like it should be the pilot deciding if he/she can fly VFR, not the weather briefer.
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It was actually "Keep alert, and watch for other aircraft". Some of the funnier pilots would ask "What's a Lert?"valleyboy wrote:"Stay alert and watch for other aircraft"
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Lloyd YWG FIC wrote:It was actually "Keep alert, and watch for other aircraft". Some of the funnier pilots would ask "What's a Lert?"valleyboy wrote:"Stay alert and watch for other aircraft"
Lloyd (retired)
No you're both wrong, it was.... "keep alert watch for other aircraft"
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Re: VFR NOT RECOMMENDED
The final decision is always the PIC. But the briefer's role, especially in our modern era of CRM and risk management is not unlike the role of a good co-pilot- "he is the Captain's conscience".Redneck_pilot86 wrote:Seems to me like it should be the pilot deciding if he/she can fly VFR, not the weather briefer.
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If you work for Kaspet Air, everyday is a VFR day because transport said so by the 300/1 ops spec.
That is why it was removed. Haha, sry had to. Back to topic.
That is why it was removed. Haha, sry had to. Back to topic.