SUNWING

[biggpilot]

Good day , anybody got called from Sunwing Yet ?

[FOD_Vacuum]

Yup, interview is in two days.

[biggpilot]

I got mine on monday , was wondering what kind of experience they called for interview ?

[ThatGuyHoldingShort]

Interview was great. Good people there.
Was curious if any of you know how long until they give out answers and how many pilots they are looking to hire for the coming season?

[toelessjoe]

Does anyone know if they're still calling for interviews?

Cheers,

Toeless.

[nohojob]

Don't know how many people they're hiring. (I thought they were putting together a pool actually).
But it can take a while to get a call. For me it was 2 months and a half.

I am not sure either if it is for seasonal or permanent positions.
They did both the past couple years.

Good luck to all !

[Gilles Hudicourt]

In the winter 2015/2016 they were tuned down by HSDC for their request for foreign pilots so they hired many Canadians.
In the winter 2016/2017, they turned once again to Immigration Canada to ask for Reciprocity Visas, claiming that they had been sending Canadian pilots to work in Europe. CIC granted them about 80 work permits for European pilots which they should not have. What Sunwing does is send Wet-Leased aircraft to Europe, meaning the pilots who go to Europe in the summer are still working for Sunwing flying Sunwing Aircraft. Never are any Canadian pilots ever allowed to fly European registered aircraft for European carriers.
In the winter, Sunwing imports several European aircraft with crew under wet-lease.

Why is the Canadian government still allowing foreigners to do in Canada what the Foreign countries do not allow Canadian pilots to do overseas ?
Why does Tranport Canada issue Foreign licence validations to foreign pilots to fly Canadian aircraft when the Europeans do not let Canadian Licenced pilots to fly European aircraft with a validation ?

Some people in Canada are clearly subservient to certain business interests.....

In a nutshell: if the Canadian government again allows 80 foreign pilots to come and fly for Sunwing next winter, there are 80 Canadian pilots who will not be getting a job they deserve.
But Sunwing will save money. TUI, its European parent company will save money. The Canadian worker gets screwed.
Thanks ESDC. Thanks CIC. Thanks Transport Canada.

[leftoftrack]

So they have Canadian pilots in Europe flying from point to point in Europe but they dont want European pilots in N.A. flying from point to point in N.A.?

[aerosexual]

There are approximately 150 full-term pilot positions on deployment this summer in Europe. All of these pilots are very very well taken care of, and on full-term employment. This is the same thing that Air Transat does, albeit on a smaller scale. Air Transat sends pilots on deployments as well flying Canadian registered airplanes around the world. This sounds like a great opportunity for those interested in full-time, well payed employment! Thankfully Sunwing is hiring more pilots who are interested in working there.

[aerosexual]

Just to clarify, there are 169 full-term positions overseas being covered by Sunwing pilots this summer across 8 bases. This is highly successful for the company and the pilots alike. Be careful what you wish for Gilles, as Air Transat has a number of wet-leases overseas which benefits the company and the pilot group alike. Also, Sunwing no longer hires seasonal Canadian pilots, every pilot gets hired as a permanent full-time employee from day one. Good luck to all those interviewing right now, it's a great opportunity!

[Jimmy2]

What do they do with all the pilots in the winter?

[nohojob]

The pilots who deployed during the Summer come back to work the winter in Canada. Also the winter bases open all across Canada.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

So they have Canadian pilots in Europe flying from point to point in Europe but they dont want European pilots in N.A. flying from point to point in N.A.?

They have Canadian pilots in Europe flying point to Point in Canadian aircraft.

There are European Pilots in Canada flying Point to Point in European Aircraft.

That is called Wet-Lease, or ACMI.

What the Europeans do not allow is Canadian pilots in Europe flying point to point in European aircraft. So why should we ?

[gonnabeapilot]

What the Europeans do not allow is Canadian pilots in Europe flying point to point in European aircraft. So why should we ?

Because it tilts the advantage towards Canadian pilots at seniority based companies instead of created siloed flying that disadvantages Canadian pilots and offers greater oversight opportunities for the regulator and the airline which therefore benefits the Canadian public.

Sometimes being the one that's doing things differently means you're the innovator and everyone else just needs some time to catch up.

[gonnabeapilot]

In a nutshell: if the Canadian government again allows 80 foreign pilots to come and fly for Sunwing next winter, there are 80 Canadian pilots who will not be getting a job they deserve.
But Sunwing will save money. TUI, its European parent company will save money. The Canadian worker gets screwed.
Thanks ESDC. Thanks CIC. Thanks Transport Canada.

Or looked at another way...
In a nutshell: if the Canadian government again allows 80 foreign pilots to come and fly for Sunwing next winter, there are 80 Canadian pilots who will be provided with an opportunity to work through the summer next year flying in Europe instead of being laid off and having to collect EI for 6 months and wondering how they're going to feed their families and keep a roof over their heads.
So the Canadian worker gets a well paid, year round position which I'm pretty sure is the end goal for all of us when we get into this industry. The Canadian pilot who feels it is their given right to stop flying a King Air, get a type rating on a jet, be employed for a couple of months before facing a layoff while causing 80 of their colleagues to also face six-month lay-offs gets screwed. Sorry but I don't have much sympathy for that person.

[toelessjoe]

Lawdy Lawdy Lawdy! There sure be some knowledgeable people this thread! Any chance chance some of this knowledge pertains to if and when they're still conducting interviews?

- Toeless.

[ThatGuyHoldingShort]

Lawdy Lawdy Lawdy! There sure be some knowledgeable people this thread! Any chance chance some of this knowledge pertains to if and when they're still conducting interviews?

- Toeless.

I do believe interviews finished last Friday.
If anyone has any interviews coming up this week please do correct me.

[iflyroads]

Lawdy Lawdy Lawdy! There sure be some knowledgeable people this thread! Any chance chance some of this knowledge pertains to if and when they're still conducting interviews?

- Toeless.

I do believe interviews finished last Friday.
If anyone has any interviews coming up this week please do correct me.

A PFO email went out yesterday, followed by a redaction and correction email to some people. Since they closed the job posting, it sent an automated one by mistake.

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Because it tilts the advantage towards Canadian pilots at seniority based companies instead of created siloed flying that disadvantages Canadian pilots and offers greater oversight opportunities for the regulator and the airline which therefore benefits the Canadian public.

Sometimes being the one that's doing things differently means you're the innovator and everyone else just needs some time to catch up.

Sounds nice, but didn't understand any of it. It must be my deficient intellect......

[Gilles Hudicourt]

Or looked at another way...
In a nutshell: if the Canadian government again allows 80 foreign pilots to come and fly for Sunwing next winter, there are 80 Canadian pilots who will be provided with an opportunity to work through the summer next year flying in Europe instead of being laid off and having to collect EI for 6 months and wondering how they're going to feed their families and keep a roof over their heads.
So the Canadian worker gets a well paid, year round position which I'm pretty sure is the end goal for all of us when we get into this industry.

How about 5 Sunwing aircraft going on Wetlease to Europe in the summer against 5 European wet-lease aircraft coming to Canada in the summer, which is what you guys are doing anyways, in addition to the 80 foreign pilots coming to Canada in winter fo fly on sunwing operated flights.

Those 80 extra foreign pilots who come to Canada to fly Canadian registered aircraft do not allow 80 Canadian pilots to go to Europe to fly European registered aircraft. That is a lie that has even been told to the minister of Transport himself.

From: Minister of Transport / Ministre des Transports (TC) [mailto:TC.MinisterofTransport-MinistredesTransports.TC@tc.gc.ca]
Sent: May 3, 2017 3:22 PM
To: Gilles Hudicourt
Subject: Regarding foreign pilots flying for Canadian airlines


Mr. Gilles Hudicourt


Dear Mr. Hudicourt:

Thank you for your correspondence of March 17, 2017, regarding foreign pilots flying for Canadian airlines.

Foreign pilots are subject to the same requirements as Canadian pilots, and Transport Canada’s regulations ensure that foreign pilots operating in Canada are fully qualified. The department validates and verifies flight crew licences issued by an International Civil Aviation Organization contracting State for use in Canadian-registered aircraft. It will issue a Canadian Foreign Licence Validation Certificate (FLVC) only if the appropriate regulations are met. An FLVC may be issued where, in the opinion of the Minister, it is in the public interest and not likely to affect aviation safety. The department has reviewed the requirements of the Canadian Aviation Regulations and confirms that the issuance of FLVCs is consistent with current regulatory requirements.

I should note that Canadian pilots also benefit from the same reciprocity when operating in foreign countries.

On average, Transport Canada issues over 85,000 licences to flight crew, aircraft maintenance engineers and air traffic controllers each year. Of that total, 586 FLVCs were issued in 2016, 176 of which were for commercial aviation purposes. For more information on this matter, I would encourage you to visit Transport Canada’s website at http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/mediaroom/forei ... cates.html.

Again, thank you for writing and sharing your concerns with me.

Yours sincerely,


The Honourable Marc Garneau, P.C., M.P.
Minister of Transport

The Canadian pilot who feels it is their given right to stop flying a King Air, get a type rating on a jet, be employed for a couple of months before facing a layoff while causing 80 of their colleagues to also face six-month lay-offs gets screwed. Sorry but I don't have much sympathy for that person

As for the above statement, is so full of b/s.....

There are Canadian pilots out there who have 20,000 hours, who were A320, B757, B767 Captains and who are now working as captain on an RJ for outfits such as Skyregional, who would make more money flying 6 months in the left seat out of the year for Sunwing than flying 12 months for Skyregional but who are not afforded that possibility because the Sunwing Collective agreement only allows foreigners to be Seasonal Captains. Canadians are only allowed to be seasonal First Officers.

There is no way hiring such Canadians would cause any layoffs. It would just keep the extra 80 Europeans in Europe, while allowing into Canada the exact number of foreign wet leases that Europe takes from Canada.