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Leave it up to AvCanada to find a way to complain about a great thing!
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As soon as this options becomes a viable and fluid option for Canadian pilots, Jazz Encore and the like can kiss their future candidates goodbye. Id sign up in a heart beat! This is what Canada should be offering! Acceptable pay and bonuses, and flow through to AC.
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groundpilot wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:42 pm Not trying to turn this into the 20th degree vs non degree bun fight on AvCanada but from the Air Wisconsin web site:

Graduation from accredited four year college preferred

Yeah, they really don't care about degrees, especially right now.
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They might not, but the requirements for a H-1B apply

The requirements to qualify for an H1B visa are:

You must have ONE of the following

1) A Bachelor's degree or Masters Degree (or the foreign equivalent degree from your Country), OR

2) 12 years work experience , OR

3) A mix of further education + work experience


The general H1B visa qualification rule is:
- for every 1 year of studies at University / College = 3 points
- for every 1 year of work experience = 1 point

12 points in 'total' are required to qualify for the H1B visa program
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groundpilot wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:11 pm They might not, but the requirements for a H-1B apply

The requirements to qualify for an H1B visa are:

You must have ONE of the following

1) A Bachelor's degree or Masters Degree (or the foreign equivalent degree from your Country), OR

2) 12 years work experience , OR

3) A mix of further education + work experience


The general H1B visa qualification rule is:
- for every 1 year of studies at University / College = 3 points
- for every 1 year of work experience = 1 point

12 points in 'total' are required to qualify for the H1B visa program
You need a four-year Bachelor's degree to get hired at any of the US majors anyways. Going there without one would be a dead end.
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cdntous wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:55 pm
groundpilot wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:11 pm They might not, but the requirements for a H-1B apply

The requirements to qualify for an H1B visa are:

You must have ONE of the following

1) A Bachelor's degree or Masters Degree (or the foreign equivalent degree from your Country), OR

2) 12 years work experience , OR

3) A mix of further education + work experience


The general H1B visa qualification rule is:
- for every 1 year of studies at University / College = 3 points
- for every 1 year of work experience = 1 point

12 points in 'total' are required to qualify for the H1B visa program
You need a four-year Bachelor's degree to get hired at any of the US majors anyways. Going there without one would be a dead end.

Not all of them, and that's going to be starting to change.

Also why on earth would a US major, which pays properly, need to hire cheap foreign labor?



I'll be starting up a new business, might need some "dock hands" mins are some type of pilots license and the pay, enough for food and maybe if you "prove your worth" I'll let you go for a ride in my plane and log a few the tenths a month.

Requirements, landscaping experience, desperation, understanding of the Spanish language, work long hours, don't complain, can dig ditches, and don't mind riding in a regular cab pickup with 7 other grown sweaty men. Heck I bet you could get Canadian landscapers, I mean "docks hands", to work for less than the Mexicans, I mean minim wage and the carrot on the stick of maybe flying a plane. Man I think I'm on to something here, I'd also require a 4 year or better "degree" in aviation to prove that you're a sucker and don't value your time, oops I mean to prove you have "follow through" :lol:


digits_ wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:28 am Leave it up to AvCanada to find a way to complain about a great thing!

That's the thing, it's not a good thing, it's sad and shows a lack of self respect for Canadians, as well as its futile in the long term, chess vs checkers.

If Canadians cared about their own country, they would un-tuck their manhood and take a stand, speak loud and be proud of their profession, walk the F' out for a few days, then go to the media and explain the conditions and pay, somehow I think the masses would be a little disturbed to know how little pay, rest, etc the pilots they are trusting their lives, and the lives of their children, get.

Going to the states and being cheap labour, long run its going to drive wages down over there too, averages and all, much like the people of some of the higher tax lower freedom states / provinces who move to another place, and end up slowly turning it into the same crap hole they left.

When you make a mess in your room, do you sleep on the floor of your siblings room, or clean your own damn room up.
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The only major that doesn't require a degree is AA if you go through an AAG wholly-owned subsidiary regional airline like Envoy.

Here's the catch: the AA WOs pay the least and have the worst conditions of any other regional airline ... and current calculations are putting the flow at 10+ years for a new hire starting today (sound familiar to anything here in Canada?).

The rest of the majors: Delta, United, Southwest, etc. all still require a four-year college degree. So does AA OTS.

So if you plan to immigrate to the U.S. you better damn well have a degree unless you want to end up at some trash LCC like Frontier, but who knows, you might still make more than an AC captain.
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SuperchargedRS wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:13 pm Going to the states and being cheap labour, long run its going to drive wages down over there too, averages and all, much like the people of some of the higher tax lower freedom states / provinces who move to another place, and end up slowly turning it into the same crap hole they left.

When you make a mess in your room, do you sleep on the floor of your siblings room, or clean your own damn room up.
Wrong part of the analogy.

When your parents are abusive crackheads and take most of your paper route money away, do you stick around or go over to your friends house where his folks don't beat you and give you a large allowance?

I think you may have missed the point of going to the US - the US "cheap labourers" get paid more than the expensive help in Canada.

Labour mobility is a symptom of market conditions, not a cause.
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Looks like supply and demand is at work.

There's a TN visa available for "NAFTA Professionals" with a degree. Unfortunately pilots are not in the list of professions. So getting a four year degree in anything might be a better deal than ramping in Norman Wells.

The problem with H1Bs is that that there's an annual lottery for 65,000 slots. And more applications than slots.
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complexintentions wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:17 pm Wrong part of the analogy.

When your parents are abusive crackheads and take most of your paper route money away, do you stick around or go over to your friends house where his folks don't beat you and give you a large allowance?

I think you may have missed the point of going to the US - the US "cheap labourers" get paid more than the expensive help in Canada.

Labour mobility is a symptom of market conditions, not a cause.
Oh you poor little baby, dude man up and take charge of your own life and quit being a friggin doormat, this is how the Canadian aviation industry got so screwed up.

I mean between this line of thinking, to all the people on this AVIATION forum who go out of their way to argue that pilots aren't even professional, or compare them to unskilled labor, I mean what the hell do you expect. Take some damn pride in yourselves, speak up, do something!

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SuperchargedRS wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:40 pm Oh you poor little baby, dude man up and take charge of your own life and quit being a friggin doormat, this is how the Canadian aviation industry got so screwed up.

I mean between this line of thinking, to all the people on this AVIATION forum who go out of their way to argue that pilots aren't even professional, or compare them to unskilled labor, I mean what the hell do you expect. Take some damn pride in yourselves, speak up, do something!

The only way the meek will ever "inherit" the earth is in 6' wood boxes.
The person you are replying to is/was a senior WJ captain and probably makes 3x your salary. I'd like to point that out.
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cdntous wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:40 pm
SuperchargedRS wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:40 pm Oh you poor little baby, dude man up and take charge of your own life and quit being a friggin doormat, this is how the Canadian aviation industry got so screwed up.

I mean between this line of thinking, to all the people on this AVIATION forum who go out of their way to argue that pilots aren't even professional, or compare them to unskilled labor, I mean what the hell do you expect. Take some damn pride in yourselves, speak up, do something!

The only way the meek will ever "inherit" the earth is in 6' wood boxes.
The person you are replying to is/was a senior WJ captain and probably makes 3x your salary. I'd like to point that out.
His paycheck means little to me, though he may have made more, I highly doubt it's 3x, besides I make enough to do what I like, also it's highly unlikely his WJ flying was anywhere near in the realm of the flying that I do.

All said, his comment was still that of a meek whiner.
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SuperchargedRS wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:13 pm

If Canadians cared about their own country, they would un-tuck their manhood and take a stand, speak loud and be proud of their profession, walk the F' out for a few days, then go to the media and explain the conditions and pay, somehow I think the masses would be a little disturbed to know how little pay, rest, etc the pilots they are trusting their lives, and the lives of their children, get.

Going to the states and being cheap labour, long run its going to drive wages down over there too, averages and all, much like the people of some of the higher tax lower freedom states / provinces who move to another place, and end up slowly turning it into the same crap hole they left.

What will have more effect: annoying your employers for a week, and then have to run back to the same employers, because there are no other options in Canada, or leave "permanently" to go work in the US so they have to retrain new pilots and drive up costs that way?

Also, even if this company would be the worst paying company in the US, what does that mean? Even if every pilot is paid as a millionair, there is still going to be a company that pays the least. Doesn't mean it is bad pay or unfair working conditions.

Regarding the change, allow me to be a bit philosophical: "Be the change you want to see in the world". Start the movement to take a stand. If you have a point, others will follow.
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I'm not sure I follow some of these arguments. If you're at a company and locked in half way through a 10 year collective agreement, what can you do other than vote with your feet?

Mexican farm labour is paid $1-2/hour to pick vegetables in Mexico. They're paid $5/hour in California. What nationality do you think staffs most of America's itinerant farm labour? I'll give you a hint, they'll soon have to cross a wall to get there. You can tell all of them that they should stay in Mexico in order to fix Mexican farm labour wages, but I think the only response you'll get from them is "estás loco."

Someone else pointed out that it's hard to be moral when you're hungry. By extension, it's also hard not to apply when there is such a large disparity in wages and the US carriers are so close.
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digits_ wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:48 am
SuperchargedRS wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:13 pm

If Canadians cared about their own country, they would un-tuck their manhood and take a stand, speak loud and be proud of their profession, walk the F' out for a few days, then go to the media and explain the conditions and pay, somehow I think the masses would be a little disturbed to know how little pay, rest, etc the pilots they are trusting their lives, and the lives of their children, get.

Going to the states and being cheap labour, long run its going to drive wages down over there too, averages and all, much like the people of some of the higher tax lower freedom states / provinces who move to another place, and end up slowly turning it into the same crap hole they left.

What will have more effect: annoying your employers for a week, and then have to run back to the same employers, because there are no other options in Canada, or leave "permanently" to go work in the US so they have to retrain new pilots and drive up costs that way?

Also, even if this company would be the worst paying company in the US, what does that mean? Even if every pilot is paid as a millionair, there is still going to be a company that pays the least. Doesn't mean it is bad pay or unfair working conditions.

Regarding the change, allow me to be a bit philosophical: "Be the change you want to see in the world". Start the movement to take a stand. If you have a point, others will follow.

Annoying is all Canadians do, and even then they don't even really do that, I'm talking about make their voice felt, shut it the f' down, that will give you a place at the table.

It seems we are speaking a different language, just curious if you're a socialist or commie, or maybe just dramatic, but it's not millions, it's a free market, as in the US experienced pilots won't fly for peanuts so they are having to offer more and more until they hit a number that the market deems worthy of trade for their skills, as I said, I'd wager a ATP (as in real ATP) in a typed level aircraft should command 100k USD per year without bonuses.

And I am being the change I want to see in the world, you won't see me making less than that, flying for a low paying regional, or running away from my home.
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SuperchargedRS wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:19 am Annoying is all Canadians do, and even then they don't even really do that, I'm talking about make their voice felt, shut it the f' down, that will give you a place at the table.

It seems we are speaking a different language, just curious if you're a socialist or commie, or maybe just dramatic, but it's not millions, it's a free market, as in the US experienced pilots won't fly for peanuts so they are having to offer more and more until they hit a number that the market deems worthy of trade for their skills, as I said, I'd wager a ATP (as in real ATP) in a typed level aircraft should command 100k USD per year without bonuses.

And I am being the change I want to see in the world, you won't see me making less than that, flying for a low paying regional, or running away from my home.
So you think Johnny the FO making 40k/year at Jazz or Sarah the GGN FO getting paid 30k a year to fly the 1900 could make Chorus or GGN change their mind about pilot wages by staying home, when there are hundreds of 250-hour college cadets who would happily take their place the moment they leave? I bet I could find you 10 of those cadets who would agree to fly the RJ for free because they still get an allowance from their parents and live at home, and flying an RJ would look cool on their Instagram.

Besides, you think anyone at AC Express is going to jeopardize their flow to AC by telling off management? Get real
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cdntous wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:52 am
SuperchargedRS wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:19 am Annoying is all Canadians do, and even then they don't even really do that, I'm talking about make their voice felt, shut it the f' down, that will give you a place at the table.

It seems we are speaking a different language, just curious if you're a socialist or commie, or maybe just dramatic, but it's not millions, it's a free market, as in the US experienced pilots won't fly for peanuts so they are having to offer more and more until they hit a number that the market deems worthy of trade for their skills, as I said, I'd wager a ATP (as in real ATP) in a typed level aircraft should command 100k USD per year without bonuses.

And I am being the change I want to see in the world, you won't see me making less than that, flying for a low paying regional, or running away from my home.
So you think Johnny the FO making 40k/year at Jazz or Sarah the GGN FO getting paid 30k a year to fly the 1900 could make Chorus or GGN change their mind about pilot wages by staying home, when there are hundreds of 250-hour college cadets who would happily take their place the moment they leave? I bet I could find you 10 of those cadets who would agree to fly the RJ for free because they still get an allowance from their parents and live at home, and flying an RJ would look cool on their Instagram.

Get real

Not sure if you're a pilot, but you can't hire a guy and have him flying the same day.

Shutting down a regional for a week will make a HUGE impact and the media will be all over it, you will have a place at the table and the ear of the people in short order.
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SuperchargedRS wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:00 pm Not sure if you're a pilot, but you can't hire a guy and have him flying the same day.

Shutting down a regional for a week will make a HUGE impact and the media will be all over it, you will have a place at the table and the ear of the people in short order.
Not sure if you've ever worked for a regional airline.
Nobody at any of those regionals will do anything when they know that AC/WJ might only be a couple years away.
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cdntous wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:03 pm
SuperchargedRS wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:00 pm Not sure if you're a pilot, but you can't hire a guy and have him flying the same day.

Shutting down a regional for a week will make a HUGE impact and the media will be all over it, you will have a place at the table and the ear of the people in short order.
Not sure if you've ever worked for a regional airline.
Nobody at any of those regionals will do anything when they know that AC/WJ might only be a couple years away.

Because they are are worthless by definition, they have no self worth or self respect.

When given a chance to make a positive change in your industry with little risk or without losing much money, as they aren't even paid enough that a weeks pay is worth mention, that you're too weak or the tenacity, or care enough about your country or industry to DO SOMETHING, well other than crawl across the boarder to the US to be CHEAP LABOR, how very pathetic and sad.

Have some pride man
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SuperchargedRS wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:13 pm Because they are are worthless by definition, they have no self worth or self respect.

When given a chance to make a positive change in your industry with little risk or without losing much money, as they aren't even paid enough that a weeks pay is worth mention, that you're too weak or the tenacity, or care enough about your country or industry to DO SOMETHING, well other than crawl across the boarder to the US to be CHEAP LABOR, how very pathetic and sad.

Have some pride man
What have you done to advance pilots' working conditions and pay?
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cdntous wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:18 pm
SuperchargedRS wrote: Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:13 pm Because they are are worthless by definition, they have no self worth or self respect.

When given a chance to make a positive change in your industry with little risk or without losing much money, as they aren't even paid enough that a weeks pay is worth mention, that you're too weak or the tenacity, or care enough about your country or industry to DO SOMETHING, well other than crawl across the boarder to the US to be CHEAP LABOR, how very pathetic and sad.

Have some pride man
What have you done to advance pilots' working conditions and pay?
Refused to be part of the problem by not working for bottom feeders

Used our union protection to leverage more money for our pilots

PIREPed best I could about both good and bad operators

More than happy to let the public know about the payshortsge vs the mythical pilot shortage
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