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skybluetrek wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:15 pm
To disparage others and their choices because you think you're entitled to the ''truth'' about what everybody should be doing to make this a better industry shows a lack of adherence to moral and ethical principles = lack of integrity. And as long as the level of disrespect to fellow pilots remains as shown on this blog, we will never stand together for a common cause.
I understand what you're trying to say, and we all want working conditions to keep improving, but misprizing those who chose a different approach to their lifes and careers, in the name of improving the national industry is not the way. And you're right, it doesn't make you sound like a liberal, more like a member of the National Socialist Canadian Workers' Party.

Dude, I'm far from a socialist when I'm advocating for people to use freemarket and supply and demand in their favor.

No where did I approve of government handouts.

Lemon wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:25 pm The only reason he went to the states is because he failed out of college in Canada and couldn’t get a job here, so he went to the states back when the regionals were paying FO’s 16k a year. Now the tables have turned in the last 5 years with regards to wages, and he’s telling us Canadian Pilots now lack integrity. :roll:

You're right, despite my real degrees I earned when I was only 18 and great marks, I did manage to completely bomb that last test, along with a good chunk of the rest of the class, frankly it was my fault, I shouldn't have gone to that school, really showed my lack of skill as I breezed through flight training down south in tailwheel, backcountry, floats, etc and with my progression through the industry. You don't want to be like a failure like me lol

Also who the hell works for 16k a year? My first job as a 250hr wonder I was making well over double that.


I'm saying people should keep their own house in order instead of moving to places where other did the work and eating their scraps like locusts


But you're right, why listen to me when you can listen to folks like that other guy who's been flying longer than I've been alive and can't even crack 6 figures or work a decent sched



The issue is the culture, even years back nearly no one in the US who earned their CPL would be working as a dock hand, where as if you said I don't want to work the dock here, everyone jumped down your throat. Gee, wonder why you have the pay difference you do between a imaginary line on the ground.

Plus WTF is up with the pilot self flagellation you see all the time? Keep saying you're not a professional and looking down your nose at people who made money or helped other make money, bet the companies salivate when they here that stuff.

Anon1234 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:52 pm
If heading south to fly for a US regional puts you and your family in a better position and you can accept the consequences go for it. Supercharge will be critical of you no matter what you chose.
And your kids and wife are still Canadian right? So wouldn't working to leave their country of citizenship a better place for them be in their benifit?
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WTF? You failed out of confed???
Bwahahahahahaha no wonder you act like such a douche!
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JohnnyHotRocks wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:18 pm WTF? You failed out of confed???
Bwahahahahahaha no wonder you act like such a douche!

Yup I did, I ended up having to settle for more money that apparently many here make and a better pilot schedule too, don't be like me lol
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SuperchargedRS wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:35 pm
JohnnyHotRocks wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:18 pm WTF? You failed out of confed???
Bwahahahahahaha no wonder you act like such a douche!

Yup I did, I ended up having to settle for more money that apparently many here make and a better pilot schedule too, don't be like me lol
Supercharged. Your ego has its own noticable gravitational field.

No, that is not a compliment.
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flyzam wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:44 pm
SuperchargedRS wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:35 pm
JohnnyHotRocks wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:18 pm WTF? You failed out of confed???
Bwahahahahahaha no wonder you act like such a douche!

Yup I did, I ended up having to settle for more money that apparently many here make and a better pilot schedule too, don't be like me lol
Supercharged. Your ego has its own noticable gravitational field.

No, that is not a compliment.

Just trying to counter the lack of self respect and respect for the industry that many here have :wink:
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SuperchargedRS wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:08 pm
skybluetrek wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:15 pm
To disparage others and their choices because you think you're entitled to the ''truth'' about what everybody should be doing to make this a better industry shows a lack of adherence to moral and ethical principles = lack of integrity. And as long as the level of disrespect to fellow pilots remains as shown on this blog, we will never stand together for a common cause.
I understand what you're trying to say, and we all want working conditions to keep improving, but misprizing those who chose a different approach to their lifes and careers, in the name of improving the national industry is not the way. And you're right, it doesn't make you sound like a liberal, more like a member of the National Socialist Canadian Workers' Party.

Dude, I'm far from a socialist when I'm advocating for people to use freemarket and supply and demand in their favor.

No where did I approve of government handouts.

Lemon wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:25 pm The only reason he went to the states is because he failed out of college in Canada and couldn’t get a job here, so he went to the states back when the regionals were paying FO’s 16k a year. Now the tables have turned in the last 5 years with regards to wages, and he’s telling us Canadian Pilots now lack integrity. :roll:

You're right, despite my real degrees I earned when I was only 18 and great marks, I did manage to completely bomb that last test, along with a good chunk of the rest of the class, frankly it was my fault, I shouldn't have gone to that school, really showed my lack of skill as I breezed through flight training down south in tailwheel, backcountry, floats, etc and with my progression through the industry. You don't want to be like a failure like me lol

Also who the hell works for 16k a year? My first job as a 250hr wonder I was making well over double that.


I'm saying people should keep their own house in order instead of moving to places where other did the work and eating their scraps like locusts


But you're right, why listen to me when you can listen to folks like that other guy who's been flying longer than I've been alive and can't even crack 6 figures or work a decent sched



The issue is the culture, even years back nearly no one in the US who earned their CPL would be working as a dock hand, where as if you said I don't want to work the dock here, everyone jumped down your throat. Gee, wonder why you have the pay difference you do between a imaginary line on the ground.

Plus WTF is up with the pilot self flagellation you see all the time? Keep saying you're not a professional and looking down your nose at people who made money or helped other make money, bet the companies salivate when they here that stuff.

Anon1234 wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 1:52 pm
If heading south to fly for a US regional puts you and your family in a better position and you can accept the consequences go for it. Supercharge will be critical of you no matter what you chose.
And your kids and wife are still Canadian right? So wouldn't working to leave their country of citizenship a better place for them be in their benifit?
I asked the question before to no avail, how does one drop out of high school then go on to get a degree or two by age 18? What school accepts high school drops outs that are not “mature students” and gives out degrees(pl.).
So, you did what your campaigning against here at a time when Is was truly pitiful, hypocrite with zero credibility!
Also, your understanding about how this would affect the Canadian market is lacking, imagine pilots were not available to fill positions at Canadian carriers because they crossed the border for better pay, what oh what could said Canadian company do to fill those spots? Perhaps raise wages?
Below is a quote from operation orange, a movement in the US that never materialized, your assertions that pilots can organize in Canada to “fix” are own country has been contemplated. The only thing fixing the US is the 1500 hr rule and your 12,500 dollar raise has more to do with that than your superior negotiating skills!
http://www.operationorange.org/
“The thinking needs to change. Nobody will change their thinking until the pilots do so. Once the pilots demonstrate the resolve to withdraw their labor, en masse, lawmakers, regulators, and managers will be forced to change their thinking”
I will reiterate, you’re a hypocrite and in my mind full of s#*t and Zero credibility, this reeks of self preservation.
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That ''other guy'', that would be me, worked from 1980 to 2016. So no, seldom made over 100K, 30, 20, 10 years ago. You were not even born when I was a dash 8 captain. You know the ones, they now have jazz splashed all over them. But alas I moved on and the realities of the economy had this nasty tendancy to intrude into my affairs, poor little ol' me.

I am now out of the business, and much of what you do not know is that my generation went through countless bankruptcies, downsizings, mass layoffs, and all of that fun stuff, yet, somehow, if I get this right, I am to blame, right? If none of these places went kaput, who knows, maybe I would be the one poo pooing you as to how come you are not making well over 280K like me!

Get a grip golden boy, you don't know how lucky you are to be born at a certain time and place, yet even I find it amusing that you washed out of a system that I miraculously had zero troubles getting through in 1979, imagine that, and yet you proceed to be the great guru of the skies.

Sure hope it doesn't happen, but someday you may just get a nasty wakeup call through no doing of your own, and you will be eating your words. You know, like, maybe your boss does not want airplanes anymore? It's been known to happen. Then go find yourself a ''well into six figure job'' at the snap of your fingers, good luck with that.

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You just got told, junior
Bwahahahahahahahaha
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mbav8r wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:56 pm I asked the question before to no avail, how does one drop out of high school then go on to get a degree or two by age 18? What school accepts high school drops outs that are not “mature students” and gives out degrees(pl.).
I must not have seen it, I got no issue answering the question, US schools go off ability, little less sketchy compared to places like confed.

I left highschool early as I wasn't really getting too much out of it, had good marks, was popular enough, but after a couple years I got what I was going to get out of it.

Dropped out, took the GED, scary that some folks need to study for that, just walked in and knocked it out.

Found the school I wanted to go to, presented the GED, took a compass test (I think that was what it was called), qualified for all the normal 1st year classes and a few advanced classes, did my two years and got my degree while being in the volunteer FD and working on the side, after those two years I was accepted into a few nice universities, just didn't have the return on investment for the tuition IMO so I stuck with my 2 year and entered the job market and did pretty well before I started up flight training.

mbav8r wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:56 pm So, you did what your campaigning against here at a time when Is was truly pitiful, hypocrite with zero credibility!
Also, your understanding about how this would affect the Canadian market is lacking, imagine pilots were not available to fill positions at Canadian carriers because they crossed the border for better pay, what oh what could said Canadian company do to fill those spots? Perhaps raise wages?
Below is a quote from operation orange, a movement in the US that never materialized, your assertions that pilots can organize in Canada to “fix” are own country has been contemplated. The only thing fixing the US is the 1500 hr rule and your 12,500 dollar raise has more to do with that than your superior negotiating skills!
http://www.operationorange.org/
“The thinking needs to change. Nobody will change their thinking until the pilots do so. Once the pilots demonstrate the resolve to withdraw their labor, en masse, lawmakers, regulators, and managers will be forced to change their thinking”
I will reiterate, you’re a hypocrite and in my mind full of s#*t and Zero credibility, this reeks of self preservation.
Really? I never took a chit job and I have been the difference I wanted to see in my little corner of aviation, what have you done?

Call me whatever you want, but I've actually done it, you?

As to the raise, it was well after that, I could get into the details, but suffice to say, things could have easily gone on the way they were without that bonus regardless of the ATP rule changes.
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Yes. The douche chills run deep with Supercharged.
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SuperchargedRS wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:23 pm
mbav8r wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:56 pm I asked the question before to no avail, how does one drop out of high school then go on to get a degree or two by age 18? What school accepts high school drops outs that are not “mature students” and gives out degrees(pl.).
I must not have seen it, I got no issue answering the question, US schools go off ability, little less sketchy compared to places like confed.

I left highschool early as I wasn't really getting too much out of it, had good marks, was popular enough, but after a couple years I got what I was going to get out of it.

Dropped out, took the GED, scary that some folks need to study for that, just walked in and knocked it out.

Found the school I wanted to go to, presented the GED, took a compass test (I think that was what it was called), qualified for all the normal 1st year classes and a few advanced classes, did my two years and got my degree while being in the volunteer FD and working on the side, after those two years I was accepted into a few nice universities, just didn't have the return on investment for the tuition IMO so I stuck with my 2 year and entered the job market and did pretty well before I started up flight training.

mbav8r wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:56 pm So, you did what your campaigning against here at a time when Is was truly pitiful, hypocrite with zero credibility!
Also, your understanding about how this would affect the Canadian market is lacking, imagine pilots were not available to fill positions at Canadian carriers because they crossed the border for better pay, what oh what could said Canadian company do to fill those spots? Perhaps raise wages?
Below is a quote from operation orange, a movement in the US that never materialized, your assertions that pilots can organize in Canada to “fix” are own country has been contemplated. The only thing fixing the US is the 1500 hr rule and your 12,500 dollar raise has more to do with that than your superior negotiating skills!
http://www.operationorange.org/
“The thinking needs to change. Nobody will change their thinking until the pilots do so. Once the pilots demonstrate the resolve to withdraw their labor, en masse, lawmakers, regulators, and managers will be forced to change their thinking”
I will reiterate, you’re a hypocrite and in my mind full of s#*t and Zero credibility, this reeks of self preservation.
Really? I never took a chit job and I have been the difference I wanted to see in my little corner of aviation, what have you done?

Call me whatever you want, but I've actually done it, you?

As to the raise, it was well after that, I could get into the details, but suffice to say, things could have easily gone on the way they were without that bonus regardless of the ATP rule changes.
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I'm really really not being sarcastic. Really.

Many talented individuals got bored with high school and all of that pedestrian stuff most of us have endured.......only to become masters of their domain.

Is it possible that superC is indeed one of the Steve Jobs types?

I dunno? Too hard for a simpleton like me to decipher.
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SuperchargedRS wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:23 pm
I left highschool early as I wasn't really getting too much out of it, had good marks, was popular enough, but after a couple years I got what I was going to get out of it.

Dropped out, took the GED, scary that some folks need to study for that, just walked in and knocked it out.
May I ask if you’re living the ‘good life’ in the states, why you still peruse the Canadian aviation forums? Is it just to spout your bs and stroke your ego? Or is it something more than that? I rarely post on these forums, but I find your demeanour very irritating. I’m sure the fo’s (captains) that fly with you appreciate it too. #bookoff
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Lemon wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:01 pm
May I ask if you’re living the ‘good life’ in the states, why you still peruse the Canadian aviation forums? Is it just to spout your bs and stroke your ego? Or is it something more than that? I rarely post on these forums, but I find your demeanour very irritating. I’m sure the fo’s (captains) that fly with you appreciate it too. #bookoff
Because I think some of the coolest flying out there occurs in Canada, I mean I just saw a posting for a Grumman/dhc-2/185 pilot out of port hardy, flying like that, man if the pay and sched was good, it would be very hard to beat, and some of the flying stories I've read here, like the one years back about a new CPL flying into Bella Bella, well let's just say it's a lot more of a read than the stuff you see on aopa or pprune.
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SuperchargedRS,

Your assumption that the increased pilot salaries seen in the U.S. regional sector is entirely a function of them 'growing some balls,' couldn't be farther from the truth.

This study does a great job of outlining the key factors of the pilot shortage: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/p ... GSD351.pdf

It mostly comes down to supply and demand. As others have mentioned, the U.S. airline market is significantly larger than that of Canada. If they were to open their borders, the number of pilots that would be willing to make the move from Canada wouldn't even make a dent in their future pilot supply requirements. At the same time, it would drastically reduce the supply in the smaller Canadian market, forcing companies to increase their salaries to compete.

At the end of the day, there are a number of factors that come into play when discussing the disparity in salaries. The best thing I think Canadian pilots can do is to petition for the implementation of an ATPL requirement for all 705 F/Os. This would prevent the slow degradation of experience seen in the cockpit today, while also reducing the pilot supply chain, thus giving pilots more leverage when it comes to wage and condition negotiations.
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Blueshift wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:56 pm SuperchargedRS,

Your assumption that the increased pilot salaries seen in the U.S. regional sector is entirely a function of them 'growing some balls,' couldn't be farther from the truth.

This study does a great job of outlining the key factors of the pilot shortage: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/p ... GSD351.pdf

It mostly comes down to supply and demand. As others have mentioned, the U.S. airline market is significantly larger than that of Canada. If they were to open their borders, the number of pilots that would be willing to make the move from Canada wouldn't even make a dent in their future pilot supply requirements. At the same time, it would drastically reduce the supply in the smaller Canadian market, forcing companies to increase their salaries to compete.

At the end of the day, there are a number of factors that come into play when discussing the disparity in salaries. The best thing I think Canadian pilots can do is to petition for the implementation of an ATPL requirement for all 705 F/Os. This would prevent the slow degradation of experience seen in the cockpit today, while also reducing the pilot supply chain, thus giving pilots more leverage when it comes to wage and condition negotiations.

Uh, no.

There are more qualified pilots in the US than any other country, including Canada, by a large margin, it's not that we don't have the people for the jobs, or that we couldn't turn out new pilots in mass if there was a interest, heck we are probably the pilot training capital of the world, it's a matter of the pay not matching the required ATP experience.
Show em' the money and you'll have zero problems filling the seats.

This is really easy to see with not just the lack of filling seats for classes at the regionals, but retention after you get someone hired on.
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Well, the 150 page study I linked to points to other factors behind the pilot shortage. It's author has a Ph.D. in policy analysis, and specializes in the study of aviation policy. Guess who I'm going to believe?

This discussion goes full-circle back to the whole degree v. no degree thread. The bottom line is that this author's background brings a whole lot more creditability to the table than you.
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Lol well who knows better the PHD or people in the industry

Got a few PHD friends, also with near zero aviation experience, maybe I'll have one of them churn out a 151 page pdf blaming it on Martians, would you believe that?
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I'm going to go with the person who actually sat down and analyzed all the data, aka the Ph.D. By the way, he used to be an F16 pilot, so the claim he wasn't ever in the industry is invalid.

Do any of your Ph.D. friends specialize in economics or aviation policy? If not, wouldn't that be sort of like asking one of my electrician buddies to do your job?
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Lol, how silly, this is like all those experts and polls who said Hillary basically already won the election and trump had no chance.

I really don't care about the PHD and his word processor or how many pages he can pump out.

As someone who's boots on the ground and in the industry (not the military who last I checked isn't responsible for flying 121) the case is very simple, it's a lack of pay, and the retention issues clearly show that, as do the airlines reactions and added bonus.
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