Jumpseating for real
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Jumpseating for real
One of my friend was flying a Belgium carrier as a pax, he flew all the way down to a french city, in the cockpit. All he did was show his Canadian pilot license. I was told that ppl pilots in Austria can also jumpseat in the flight deck.
In Canada , we are really a bunch of stuck up, we can't even jumpseat in competitive airlines cockpits.
Bringing your wife or kids. Dream big!
In Canada , we are really a bunch of stuck up, we can't even jumpseat in competitive airlines cockpits.
Bringing your wife or kids. Dream big!
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Re: Jumpseating for real
You used to be able to get in the jump seat in Canada pre 9-11 - hardly snobbery, more like it was just too close to home
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Jumpseats should belong to pilots. We have enough judgement to fly airplanes, we can decide who we can bring in.
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That is definitely not normal. Good for him, but he was very lucky to be allowed in the cockpit during flight.Ypilot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:14 pm One of my friend was flying a Belgium carrier as a pax, he flew all the way down to a french city, in the cockpit. All he did was show his Canadian pilot license. I was told that ppl pilots in Austria can also jumpseat in the flight deck.
In Canada , we are really a bunch of stuck up, we can't even jumpseat in competitive airlines cockpits.
Bringing your wife or kids. Dream big!
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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So you are saying this is not allowed in Europe?digits_ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:59 pmThat is definitely not normal. Good for him, but he was very lucky to be allowed in the cockpit during flight.Ypilot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:14 pm One of my friend was flying a Belgium carrier as a pax, he flew all the way down to a french city, in the cockpit. All he did was show his Canadian pilot license. I was told that ppl pilots in Austria can also jumpseat in the flight deck.
In Canada , we are really a bunch of stuck up, we can't even jumpseat in competitive airlines cockpits.
Bringing your wife or kids. Dream big!
Re: Jumpseating for real
Jump seats belong to the owner/operator of the plane. If it's your plane, you decide. If it's your employer's plane, your employer decides. Your employer may be bound by regulation, or policy. In any case, it is the duty of a pilot as an employee to follow employer's policy - it is there for flight safety and compliance - which includes that of the pilots!Jumpseats should belong to pilots. We have enough judgement to fly airplanes, we can decide who we can bring in.
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Obviously we are all following our employer's policies, that are heavily connected to our moronic southern neighbours "policies/politics". My point is, it doesn't make sense for us. Everybody loves Canadians.PilotDAR wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:13 pmJump seats belong to the owner/operator of the plane. If it's your plane, you decide. If it's your employer's plane, your employer decides. Your employer may be bound by regulation, or policy. In any case, it is the duty of a pilot as an employee to follow employer's policy - it is there for flight safety and compliance - which includes that of the pilots!Jumpseats should belong to pilots. We have enough judgement to fly airplanes, we can decide who we can bring in.
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If it's your plane, and you're not flying inside the established secure zone, you can have whomever you want in the cockpit. I think our southern neighbours were a little too lax about security in a number of areas, until aircraft were turned into weapons against them!heavily connected to our moronic southern neighbours "policies/politics". My point is, it doesn't make sense for us.
How does it benefit aviation, aircraft operators, or the public in general to have non required people in the cockpit of a public flight? it is a possible risk with no benefit. Anyone with a reason to be in the jumpseat, gets the required authorization, and flies. Everyone else should fly in the seat assigned by the aircraft operator.
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All I can say for sure is that I have tried this as well at multiple european airlines with a european ppl/cpl and was never succesfull. Afaik it is gemerally not allowed.Ypilot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:06 pmSo you are saying this is not allowed in Europe?digits_ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:59 pmThat is definitely not normal. Good for him, but he was very lucky to be allowed in the cockpit during flight.Ypilot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:14 pm One of my friend was flying a Belgium carrier as a pax, he flew all the way down to a french city, in the cockpit. All he did was show his Canadian pilot license. I was told that ppl pilots in Austria can also jumpseat in the flight deck.
In Canada , we are really a bunch of stuck up, we can't even jumpseat in competitive airlines cockpits.
Bringing your wife or kids. Dream big!
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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The breach has been secured. Our doors can now withstand a grenade attack. I don't think my wife or my five year old boy are a threat.
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I can take a company employee in the js who was hired yesterday and has never had a background check but can’t take my wife. How does that benefit the companyPilotDAR wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:44 pmIf it's your plane, and you're not flying inside the established secure zone, you can have whomever you want in the cockpit. I think our southern neighbours were a little too lax about security in a number of areas, until aircraft were turned into weapons against them!heavily connected to our moronic southern neighbours "policies/politics". My point is, it doesn't make sense for us.
How does it benefit aviation, aircraft operators, or the public in general to have non required people in the cockpit of a public flight? it is a possible risk with no benefit. Anyone with a reason to be in the jumpseat, gets the required authorization, and flies. Everyone else should fly in the seat assigned by the aircraft operator.
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Except airline pilots in the states can sit in the actual jumpseat on airlines that aren't the ones they work forYpilot wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:23 pmObviously we are all following our employer's policies, that are heavily connected to our moronic southern neighbours "policies/politics". My point is, it doesn't make sense for us. Everybody loves Canadians.PilotDAR wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:13 pmJump seats belong to the owner/operator of the plane. If it's your plane, you decide. If it's your employer's plane, your employer decides. Your employer may be bound by regulation, or policy. In any case, it is the duty of a pilot as an employee to follow employer's policy - it is there for flight safety and compliance - which includes that of the pilots!Jumpseats should belong to pilots. We have enough judgement to fly airplanes, we can decide who we can bring in.
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I didn't know. What's stopping us from doing the same? That would be a good start.Except airline pilots in the states can sit in the actual jumpseat on airlines that aren't the ones they work for
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And they get much better travel beneifts.
To the Op, it's all about security. That's in the company and the authorities' point of view. It is the first time I hear of some random guy just showing his ppl and going accessing a cockpit during flight.
As stated above, most aviation authorities have their regulations regarding cockpit access, and they are strongly enforced by the various companies. Most companies have a company ID rule. You have to work for thr company with a valid ID. And in most cases SOPs leave it to the captain to decide whether to let the person in or not.
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I’ve heard a handful of stories of our younger flight attendants being permitted up front for landing on major European airlines.
This has been within the past 5 years. Good luck If you’re a male FA
This has been within the past 5 years. Good luck If you’re a male FA
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Re: Jumpseating for real
When I was a commercial student, one of the local airlines had a really awesome Chief Pilot, who wanted to encourage junior pilots, so he had a program whereby the local flying school could recommend commercial students for jump seat rides. It was really awesome to do a run YHZ-YYG and back in the jump seat of a Dash and also a BAE-146 - it was my first exposure to the "real world" and to professionals using checklists, CRM, etc.
I also once managed to hitch a lift in a jump seat when they had overbooked a bunch of flights and we very foolishly gave up our seats for the cash due to a promise to "get you on a flight later this morning". I didn't clue in to the fact that the person who had promised me a flight that day then flew away, leaving the ticket agent to tell me that I would be lucky to make it home in 2 or 3 days!
So there are times when allowing the pilots to use their discretion actually benefits the company or aviation in general....
I also once managed to hitch a lift in a jump seat when they had overbooked a bunch of flights and we very foolishly gave up our seats for the cash due to a promise to "get you on a flight later this morning". I didn't clue in to the fact that the person who had promised me a flight that day then flew away, leaving the ticket agent to tell me that I would be lucky to make it home in 2 or 3 days!
So there are times when allowing the pilots to use their discretion actually benefits the company or aviation in general....
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The risk is basically 0. These are pilots who fly within the same system, for other operators who also offer the privilege. The benefit is the ability to commute to work, and a lower chance of cancelled flights as well as an employee benefit.PilotDAR wrote: ↑Thu Aug 02, 2018 7:44 pmIf it's your plane, and you're not flying inside the established secure zone, you can have whomever you want in the cockpit. I think our southern neighbours were a little too lax about security in a number of areas, until aircraft were turned into weapons against them!heavily connected to our moronic southern neighbours "policies/politics". My point is, it doesn't make sense for us.
How does it benefit aviation, aircraft operators, or the public in general to have non required people in the cockpit of a public flight? it is a possible risk with no benefit. Anyone with a reason to be in the jumpseat, gets the required authorization, and flies. Everyone else should fly in the seat assigned by the aircraft operator.