Air Canada and Westjet...what a joke

[yousoundfoolish]

You are flying to say Dubai, or maybe Shanghai. Long flight, fatiguing. Weathers not the best, conditions a bit tricky and you roll off the side of the runway into the grass. You know who doesn’t care about your “constitutional” right to get high? Authorities anywhere else in the world except perhaps Uruguay. They also aren’t going to be pleased if they find THC in your system. Do you guys really need to smoke weed that desperately? I mean there is even a guy in here arguing the 12 hour rule on booze is too stringent. Ridiculous.

[goingnowherefast]

If I have an 8am report time, can I not safely finish a single glass of wine with my spouse at 10:30pm before bed? Certainly breaks the 12 hour bottle-to-throttle rule.

That said, it's easy to give up if it is required for regulatory compliance.

I know nothing of pot, but I do wish that the rules be based on science. But we all know that science has no place in the fatigue regulations....

[North Shore]

If I have an 8am report time, can I not safely finish a single glass of wine with my spouse at 10:30pm before bed? Certainly breaks the 12 hour bottle-to-throttle rule.

I dunno, man? As I advance in age, I find that any fluid intake after ~ 8pm pretty much consigns me to a 3:30 am pee break, and then a restless sleep thereafter!

[No Smoke, No Fire]

You are flying to say Dubai, or maybe Shanghai. Long flight, fatiguing. Weathers not the best, conditions a bit tricky and you roll off the side of the runway into the grass. You know who doesn’t care about your “constitutional” right to get high? Authorities anywhere else in the world except perhaps Uruguay. They also aren’t going to be pleased if they find THC in your system. Do you guys really need to smoke weed that desperately? I mean there is even a guy in here arguing the 12 hour rule on booze is too stringent. Ridiculous.

Oh man, I’m in Shanghai now?! Could’ve sworn I left the Beaver tied to the dock last night...

[aeroncasuperchief]

Oh man, I’m in Shanghai now?! Could’ve sworn I left the Beaver tied to the dock last night...

Hi In ShangHI but not REALLY there lol

[apilotguy85]

I think the real issue with cannabis is that one can’t test current level of impairment, so company’s issues a blanket ban on what can be tested. Which is the metabolized protiens of THC (THC being the physoactive component)
THC metabolizes into THC-COOH (which to my current knowledge is non-physoactive), so with current technology it’s safer to issue a blanket ban on how long the metabolized protiens stay in ones system untill there is a fast easy way to test for the actual THC levels (level of impairment) is devoleped! Then you may see a shift in cannabis policy’s!
Intresting to note Nav-Canada’s policy (ATC) on cannabis is to show up to work fit for duty (not impaired) and what they do in there own time is there responsibility

[C-GGGQ]

Can confirm blanket ban at at least my current trucking company. Memo just posted.

[rookiepilot]

Pot stocks.
Crushed today.
LOL!

[CpnCrunch]

Pot stocks.
Crushed today.
LOL!

That's just profit taking...they are still great businesses, it's just that the smart money got in there long ago and is getting out now. I guess I should have bought it when I saw their Gulfstream parked next to me on the ramp a few years ago, next to Costco's Gulfstream. Seems to be a good indicator of a business that is generating tons of cash.

[rookiepilot]

Pot stocks.
Crushed today.
LOL!

That's just profit taking...they are still great businesses, it's just that the smart money got in there long ago and is getting out now. I guess I should have bought it when I saw their Gulfstream parked next to me on the ramp a few years ago, next to Costco's Gulfstream. Seems to be a good indicator of a business that is generating tons of cash.

No thanks. And no, it isn't.

[Liftdump]

Stick to flying. You have no idea what you are saying.

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

Well I was going to have a nice spliff with my wife and watch a funny movie before bed and be fresh up for duty. Guess i'll legally slam 18 beers 12 hrs before my duty instead. Hopefully I don't smell like PBRs during my crew briefing.

[Lightchop]

Pot stocks.
Crushed today.
LOL!

That's just profit taking...they are still great businesses, it's just that the smart money got in there long ago and is getting out now. I guess I should have bought it when I saw their Gulfstream parked next to me on the ramp a few years ago, next to Costco's Gulfstream. Seems to be a good indicator of a business that is generating tons of cash.

No thanks. And no, it isn't.

My bank account and TFSA disagrees.

[yycflyguy]

YAY. PENIS FIGHTS!

[rookiepilot]

My bank account and TFSA disagrees.

You actually sound like you know what you're talking about.

Everyone does -- till they get hit.

[mbav8r]

Well I was going to have a nice spliff with my wife and watch a funny movie before bed and be fresh up for duty. Guess i'll legally slam 18 beers 12 hrs before my duty instead. Hopefully I don't smell like PBRs during my crew briefing.

If you do that you’re not legal either!
For “binge” drinking, you must allow 24 hours prior to reporting for duty, at a absolute minimum, the average person metabolizes 1 ounce or 1 drink per hour. Therefore your example would require 18 hours.
I honestly don’t get how a professional pilot could argue for using marijuana, I’ve never met a successful pothead, maaannn!

[FL007]

Well I was going to have a nice spliff with my wife and watch a funny movie before bed and be fresh up for duty. Guess i'll legally slam 18 beers 12 hrs before my duty instead. Hopefully I don't smell like PBRs during my crew briefing.

If you do that you’re not legal either!
For “binge” drinking, you must allow 24 hours prior to reporting for duty, at a absolute minimum, the average person metabolizes 1 ounce or 1 drink per hour. Therefore your example would require 18 hours.
I honestly don’t get how a professional pilot could argue for using marijuana, I’ve never met a successful pothead, maaannn!

This can't be a real post? Never met a successful pothead? Generalizing much?

Again, pot isn't my cup of tea but I'd much rather have pot around than second hand smoke.

The thing I like the most is the freedom to exercise rights. If I ever wanted to hang around my successful "pothead" friends (lawyers, doctors, PhDs) when there's a couple of joints at a get together, or at a cottage, I shouldn't have job security to worry about if I inhale second hand smoke.

Not to mention inadvertently inhaling second hand smoke and, say, a runway incursion warrants a urine sample which puts me to jail for half my life.

Again, this is someone who doesn't want to smoke, just not for me, I just want realistic regulations that safeguard witch hunting a legal drug.

[AuxBatOn]

Why wasn’t second hand pot smoke never raised as a concern before? It’s not like people didn’t smoke it before and it is likely that people that smoked it before smoke it today.

[FL007]

Why wasn’t second hand pot smoke never raised as a concern before? It’s not like people didn’t smoke it before and it is likely that people that smoked it before smoke it today.

Because some people don't break the law? I had 60 year old neighbours that hadn't smoked in like 30 years light up just because, why not?

It will be way more mainstream now than it ever was. I could see accidental consumption of food products happening very easy, too.

[AuxBatOn]

I think people are using this as an argument to have pot allowed. But that's a weak argument. It hasn't prevented people to fly before, it won't today. What I learned with time is that most people think about their self before anything else.... And be damned we infringe on their "rights"...