COPA for Kids pilots now require police check

[digits_]

Precisely. So, why not attempt to prevent these situations with a background check? Why not prevent/protect COPA, and other organizations from lawsuits, because they didn't provide "adequate checks"? That's exactly what this is trying to do.

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[C.W.E.]

Precisely. So, why not attempt to prevent these situations with a background check? Why not prevent/protect COPA, and other organizations from lawsuits, because they didn't provide "adequate checks"? That's exactly what this is trying to do.

Maybe I am really out of touch with today's society and the way things work.

When I was in the flying business and we offered kids rides the people who brought their kids for the free rides were generally local people who we knew and they knew us.

It they had fears that we were child molesters they would not have risked their kids with us.

In my opinion this asking for a background check s window dressing because the checks are far from fool proof.

Why doesn't COPA also check to make sure their wife's are safe around us as well as their children, if you are going to be suspicious why not cover all bases?

[Blakey]

Precisely. So, why not attempt to prevent these situations with a background check? Why not prevent/protect COPA, and other organizations from lawsuits, because they didn't provide "adequate checks"? That's exactly what this is trying to do.

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[digits_]

Precisely. So, why not attempt to prevent these situations with a background check? Why not prevent/protect COPA, and other organizations from lawsuits, because they didn't provide "adequate checks"? That's exactly what this is trying to do.

I can offer you insurance to protect your kids! For a one time 50 CAD fee, I will cover any damage your kids might ever experience in their lifetime caused by a wild lion attack in Canada. Not only that, our company has proprietary techniques to make sure no kid in Canada ever falls victim to a wild lion in Canada. Join now and be protected for a lifetime.

Are you interested? Probably not.

Why not? Do you not care about the safety of your kids?

You might want to raise your rates a bit!

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That's why I specified wild lion attack. An escaped zoo lion is not a wild lion. But thank you for checking though

[aeroncasuperchief]

An escaped zoo lion is not a wild lion.

The nine yr old who gets his leg chewed on might differ !

[AirFrame]

Precisel y. So, why not attempt to prevent these situations with a background check? Why not prevent/protect COPA, and other organizations from lawsuits, because they didn't provide "adequate checks"? That's exactly what this is trying to do.

Because it's doing it in the least effective way it could possibly do it. Require it for *all* participants, so you cover all the bases. If you have to pick a smaller group to start with the excuse that you have to make it "palatable", you're already saying that this isn't a great method for preventing issues.

If you want to target a smaller group with a greater success rate, require checks for the ground crew... They spend multiple hours with each kid, and the pilot spends at best 20 minutes. The ground crew can be any club member who walks in off the street after hearing that there will be an event with lots of kids present... They risk very little by attending.

[C-GKNT]

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If you want to target a smaller group with a greater success rate, require checks for the ground crew... They spend multiple hours with each kid, and the pilot spends at best 20 minutes. The ground crew can be any club member who walks in off the street after hearing that there will be an event with lots of kids present... They risk very little by attending.

My 13 year old ran the ground portion of our last C4K rally. She had the most experience of all the ground crew volunteers having attended these events starting in utero. I guess she would need VS check as well

I understand what you are saying. I'm not sure how any of these checks are going to prevent something that as far as I know has never happened yet but insurance requirements run the modern world and WTFDIK.

Glenn

[HotelTangoBravo]

This seems a little overboard... A cereal killer, flying children around... I mean crazier things have happen on this globe. If you even have a criminal record like that can you even get a pilots license?

[jakeandelwood]

I got my pilots licence and 2 commercial flying jobs with a criminal record. It was a dangerous driving charge from when I was 19, no one hurt just me being a stupid 19 year old. A fine and a license suspension was all I got. Completely forgot I had it until it came up when I applied for my 3rd flying job when I was in my late 30's, guess they ran a check, then I just got a pardon for it. - don't know if a police check shows what the person did to get the records whether minor or severe.

[JasonE]

I likely will not even renew my COPA membership this year.

[Hockaloogie]

A cereal killer, flying children around...

I've killed a lot of cereal in my day... shredded wheat, raisin bran, frosted flakes... guess I better not put any kids in the plane.

[Schooner69A]

JasonE:

Why take it out on COPA? They're just doing what is required by their insurer.

That's like not going to your doctor any more because your insurance company wants you to get "Driver's Medical" when you turn 80.

[rookiepilot]

They're just doing what is required by their insurer.

.....and This thread is STILL alive.

[HotelTangoBravo]

A cereal killer, flying children around...

I've killed a lot of cereal in my day... shredded wheat, raisin bran, frosted flakes... guess I better not put any kids in the plane.

Hahahaha wow. Well that too I guess... ***Serial***

[jakeandelwood]

That's like not going to your doctor any more because your insurance company wants you to get "Driver's Medical" when you turn 80.
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That damn doctor, I'll show him!

[digits_]

Now that summer is in full swing, how are the pilot participant numbers at the COPA for kids events? Stable? Decrease? Increase?

[AirFrame]

We were down two planes at our latest CFK. From 7 to 5. 4 of the 5 already had VSC done through their various day jobs so they didn't have to do anything.

[whistlerboy02]

We cancelled ours due to the hassle of background checks for the pilots

[C-GKNT]

We have one this weekend. Normally can get 8-10 pilots/aircraft, only have 4 at this time. It was rescheduled from 2 weeks ago (not related to the VSC) but this gave one of our pilots extra time to get his VSC otherwise we would only have 3.

The June COPA magazine "President's Corner" stated clearly this was NOT a requirement from the insurer/Sponsor AIG but rather an internal decision.

Glenn

[Heliian]

I would say the losses have more to do with people being busy and too self involved to bother. People here complaining how a quick piece of paper from the cops is too overbearing.

GENERAL AVIATION IS DYING OUT.

It's too expensive for more and more people, people are also too busy with too many other things. At least there is now statistically less criminals flying kids around, I can't see any other reason to avoid getting a check.