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C.W.E. wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:14 pm
Insane. The bureaucracy in this country just keeps getting worse
It is the reward we get from voting in a socialist form of government.

Eventually it ends up looking like Venezuela does today.
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HYPERBOLE WARNING! HYPERBOLE WARNING! WHOOOOP! WHOOOOP!
Really you think Venezuela under socialism is hyperbole?
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pianokeys wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:21 pm
JohnnyHotRocks wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:39 am Insane. The bureaucracy in this country just keeps getting worse
Bet you wont be saying that when a plane your mother or daughter is on gets frigged up from a birthday drone.

Just ban them outright. Its only half bald fat dudes that fly them.
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I don't own a drone yet, but for fun & giggles I quickly read through the website and the required knowledge list and paid my $10 and wrote the 35 question exam for the basic licence. I passed with a high 80's mark and printed my license. I'm good to go although these rules don't take effect until June 1 of this year. There is a two year refresher requirement similar to a Pilots Licence.

Reading through this forum some of the questions brought up are very relevant. So to the poster with the balsa wood remote controlled aircraft. If it weighs over 250 grams you do need the basic licence. They define a drone as any flying object with no human onboard. You must keep the licence with you and present it to any law enforcement or Air Transport Inspector upon demand if you are operating a "drone". They will let you keep it electronically on your phone or in the Cloud.

With the basic licence you must familiarize yourself with the local airspace and only operate in Class G airspace and you are only allowed up to 400 AGL. You must stay a minimum of 3 nm from "any" airport or 1 nm from "any" heliport. You must at all times give way to any aircraft you observe operating near your drone. You must remain clear of humans 100 feet horizontally and there are restrictions around animals, homes and private lands and emergency zones such as crime scenes, forest fires etc. All flights must be with the drone in sight. Any incidents or accidents involving another aircraft or injuries to persons or damage to property must be reported to TSB as soon as possible. Your drone must be registered and have ident marks on it. That way crashed drones can be identified. Not a bad idea IMHO.

To those wanting to operate at any entertainment event you will require the Advance Licence which is almost as onerous as a Private Pilots Licence. You will require the ability to communicate with ATC or FSS if within controlled airspace and around crowds or closer than 100ft to homes etc. I believe there is a flight test from a trained drone observer required also. There are elementary maintenance and tracking of all maintenance requirements. Drones require manufacturers certifications to operate close to people. Basically the pro's, governments, law enforcement will all require the Advanced Licence.

Pretty common sense stuff which gives the authorities tools to stop the idiots and seize their drones or make them accountable if their drone is recovered doing something dangerous.
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This next comment isn't professional, it's just hobby-related.

You guys are a bunch of prats. These new rules are bullshit. There's nowhere I can go that's not within 9km of some kind of aerodrome. I wasn't bothering anyone with my little models. None of them fly higher than 100 feet. I used to enjoy using my down-time gluing sticks and tissue-paper together to make models of little rag&bone aeroplanes to waft around at the park so I could empty my mind and do something engaging and harmless. Oh well, I guess I can always smoke dope instead. That's perfectly legal.
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Does a real pilot license exempt you from requiring to get a stupid drone license ?
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Meatservo wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:57 pm This next comment isn't professional, it's just hobby-related.

You guys are a bunch of prats. These new rules are bullshit. There's nowhere I can go that's not within 9km of some kind of aerodrome. I wasn't bothering anyone with my little models. None of them fly higher than 100 feet. I used to enjoy using my down-time gluing sticks and tissue-paper together to make models of little rag&bone aeroplanes to waft around at the park so I could empty my mind and do something engaging and harmless. Oh well, I guess I can always smoke dope instead. That's perfectly legal.
I agree completely. You and all RC guys should be exempt. You weren't the problem it's the proliferation of all these autopilot, self hover, camera drones (wife just asked for one and I got to show her the new rules lol) that any idiot can fly that's the problem. $1000 to take the same selfie they saw someone else take on Instagram
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Meatservo wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:57 pm \You guys are a bunch of prats. These new rules are bullshit. There's nowhere I can go that's not within 9km of some kind of aerodrome. I wasn't bothering anyone with my little models. None of them fly higher than 100 feet. I used to enjoy using my down-time gluing sticks and tissue-paper together to make models of little rag&bone aeroplanes to waft around at the park so I could empty my mind and do something engaging and harmless. Oh well, I guess I can always smoke dope instead. That's perfectly legal.
My sentiments exactly.
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The reality is TC simply doesn't have the resources to enforce this and my guess is that they will only take action if something bad happens or it's reported to them. Just look at the SMS system...it's very reactive rather than proactive. So these new regs are hopefully going to be a deterrent for irresponsible/igonorant people. As for folks like Meatservo flying small models, max 100 feet off the ground, well away from an airport, I'd say carry on as these rules aren't targeting these types of responsible hobbyists.
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linecrew wrote: Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:09 am I'd say carry on as these rules aren't targeting these types of responsible hobbyists.
For some of us that's simply not worth the risk. The way Transport looks at me is directly tied to my income.

What's also frustrating is that if I read it correctly this program will be costing the Canadian taxpayers on the order of thirty million dollars. Before someone says, "That's what the fees are for," that thirty million is after the fees are collected.
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While these new rules may sound reasonable or "common sense", the existing rules already prohibit drone use in most of inhabited Canada due to the proximity of airports. Have a look at your local area and see where you can fly a drone, in Vancouver it's a few very small wedges. Drones already had to be marked with the owner's contact information. So if it was a problem, the cops and TC already had laws they could enforce but I haven't seen any action on that front. So what's the justification for the new bureaucracy?

On the commercial side it's devastating. You already needed an SFOC for most work. Some operators were complying and some were not. No enforcement action here either no matter how egregious the violation (flying over people, cars, running into buildings). But now any small drone business will effectively be shut down regardless of compliance because they have to replace their $1000 drone wiith a $20 000 to $100 000 one that is on TC's approved list. Basically Canada is saying that this new technology is scary and we don't want it here. Compare this to the US where they have a very streamlined process for getting access to controlled airspace, and if you aren't in controlled airspace you don't need any approval. Big advantages in survey, mapping, photograpy, 3D modelling, but in Canada we don't want it.
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Does the whole "Less than 30m from or above people" apply during takeoff and landing? Or exempt those involved in flying? At most RC fields the pilots stand pretty close to the runway, so by their current logic nearly every RC flyer is going to fall into the advanced category.
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Meatservo wrote: Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:57 pm This next comment isn't professional, it's just hobby-related.

You guys are a bunch of prats. These new rules are bullshit. There's nowhere I can go that's not within 9km of some kind of aerodrome. I wasn't bothering anyone with my little models. None of them fly higher than 100 feet. I used to enjoy using my down-time gluing sticks and tissue-paper together to make models of little rag&bone aeroplanes to waft around at the park so I could empty my mind and do something engaging and harmless. Oh well, I guess I can always smoke dope instead. That's perfectly legal.
It's completely possible I missed it, but isn't this your saving grace:
Exception — Remotely Piloted Aircraft Systems

700.01.1 This Part does not apply in respect of the operation of remotely piloted aircraft systems that include remotely piloted aircraft having a maximum take-off weight 25 kg (55 pounds) or less.
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lownslow wrote: Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:54 am What's also frustrating is that if I read it correctly this program will be costing the Canadian taxpayers on the order of thirty million dollars. Before someone says, "That's what the fees are for," that thirty million is after the fees are collected.
I don't think that's possible, what did you read?
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ahramin wrote: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:39 am

On the commercial side it's devastating. You already needed an SFOC for most work. Some operators were complying and some were not. No enforcement action here either no matter how egregious the violation (flying over people, cars, running into buildings). But now any small drone business will effectively be shut down regardless of compliance because they have to replace their $1000 drone wiith a $20 000 to $100 000 one that is on TC's approved list. Basically Canada is saying that this new technology is scary and we don't want it here. Compare this to the US where they have a very streamlined process for getting access to controlled airspace, and if you aren't in controlled airspace you don't need any approval. Big advantages in survey, mapping, photograpy, 3D modelling, but in Canada we don't want it.
Why are you panicking? There is nothing about having to buy new drones, you may have to prove safety but that shouldn't be difficult with most commercial models. They are trying to hold people accountable for their actions and to get people to follow proper procedures when flying a drone for commercial purposes.

While some enthusiasts are on here bitching and moaning about how this will effect their lifestyle, serious users are already complying.

It was also kind of them to reduce the required distances from aerodromes and heliports.
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Heliian wrote: Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:03 am I don't think that's possible, what did you read?
"Taking monetized costs and benefits together, the quantified present value of net costs is $28.4 million over 2018–2029"

Edited because I found a better quote.
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Heliian wrote: Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:23 am
ahramin wrote: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:39 am

On the commercial side it's devastating. You already needed an SFOC for most work. Some operators were complying and some were not. No enforcement action here either no matter how egregious the violation (flying over people, cars, running into buildings). But now any small drone business will effectively be shut down regardless of compliance because they have to replace their $1000 drone wiith a $20 000 to $100 000 one that is on TC's approved list. Basically Canada is saying that this new technology is scary and we don't want it here. Compare this to the US where they have a very streamlined process for getting access to controlled airspace, and if you aren't in controlled airspace you don't need any approval. Big advantages in survey, mapping, photograpy, 3D modelling, but in Canada we don't want it.
Why are you panicking? There is nothing about having to buy new drones, you may have to prove safety but that shouldn't be difficult with most commercial models. They are trying to hold people accountable for their actions and to get people to follow proper procedures when flying a drone for commercial purposes.

While some enthusiasts are on here bitching and moaning about how this will effect their lifestyle, serious users are already complying.

It was also kind of them to reduce the required distances from aerodromes and heliports.
https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/aviati ... drone.html

The cheapest drone on that list is about $20 000. If it's not on the list, you cannot use it within 30m of any person, effectively making it impossible to do drone work almost everywhere you would want to do drone work.
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Heliian wrote: Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:23 am While some enthusiasts are on here bitching and moaning about how this will effect their lifestyle, serious users are already complying.

It was also kind of them to reduce the required distances from aerodromes and heliports.

You see before the internet, we had these things called "hobbies". Besides working, chasing tail, drinking and sports, they were the main way people had to not go insane and kill themselves. Well, sports actually are kind of a "hobby" really. So, you can dismiss enthusiasts and their "lifestyle" if you wish, but there's no reason to insinuate their opinions aren't valid just because you don't understand them. Nowadays social-networking and smoking drugs are considered to be a "lifestyle" and are kind of sacrosanct because we don't want to offend anyone. But aeromodelling used to actually be kind of a big deal. It wasn't a "fringe" element.
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ahramin wrote: Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:19 pm
Heliian wrote: Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:23 am
ahramin wrote: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:39 am

On the commercial side it's devastating. You already needed an SFOC for most work. Some operators were complying and some were not. No enforcement action here either no matter how egregious the violation (flying over people, cars, running into buildings). But now any small drone business will effectively be shut down regardless of compliance because they have to replace their $1000 drone wiith a $20 000 to $100 000 one that is on TC's approved list. Basically Canada is saying that this new technology is scary and we don't want it here. Compare this to the US where they have a very streamlined process for getting access to controlled airspace, and if you aren't in controlled airspace you don't need any approval. Big advantages in survey, mapping, photograpy, 3D modelling, but in Canada we don't want it.
Why are you panicking? There is nothing about having to buy new drones, you may have to prove safety but that shouldn't be difficult with most commercial models. They are trying to hold people accountable for their actions and to get people to follow proper procedures when flying a drone for commercial purposes.

While some enthusiasts are on here bitching and moaning about how this will effect their lifestyle, serious users are already complying.

It was also kind of them to reduce the required distances from aerodromes and heliports.
https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/aviati ... drone.html

The cheapest drone on that list is about $20 000. If it's not on the list, you cannot use it within 30m of any person, effectively making it impossible to do drone work almost everywhere you would want to do drone work.
Unless you apply for an sfoc for the work you intend to do.
They will also grandfather certain systems that meet the current requirements.

What kind of advanced operations are you doing with a $1000 drone anyways?
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