Advice on route across Northern Canada in late July

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Advice on route across Northern Canada in late July

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Hi all,

I need to get from Alaska to Oshkosh, leaving Alaska about 17/18 July, in my C185 with Flint tip tanks and about 1200NM range. What is my likelihood of getting stuck for bad weather for days and days and days at that time of year, bearing in mind options are few in that area and you need to be sure before you set off of adequate weather to make your destination? I'll be VFR.

Dawson-Inuvik-Norman Wells-Yellowknife-Stony Lake-Flin Flon

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=cyda-cyev- ... cyfo&DU=nm

Cheers,

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Not sure about the Alaska part, but the other part of your trip should be fairly easy weatherwise. You'll probably have thunderstorms in the afternoon/evenings, but you can see those develop, and obviously don't fly through them. Other than that, july is a pretty good weather month.

That being said, you can always get stuck, especially VFR, so don't rush. Also think about tracking in case you go down, so people can find you. It is pretty remote terrain, even in a warm july month.
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Thanks. Carry a Delorme Inreach and satphone with a satphone aerial on the aircraft and a PLB on every person in the aircraft. Also an HF, though don't know how useful that would be.

Got any good weather sites for up there?
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You should be ok in July but as others have said, have a contingency plan in case you need to put ‘er down on the tundra somewhere. Assuming you land nicely and have an ELT which can be relied upon, take enough rations for a couple days, some water, and some form of shelter. I flew up north for many years and your route is mostly below the tree line, but still warrants some special preparation “just in case.”

Not trying to rain on your parade, but it’s far better to have shit and not need it, than, well.. You never know when that fan in front of you may suddenly stop spinning.
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OBTAIN A CANADA FLIGHT SUPPLEMENT (C.F.S.) http://www.navcanada.ca/EN/products-and ... ement.aspx

GET A WEATHER BRIEFING AND FILE A TRANS BORDER FLIGHT PLAN. IT IS MANDATORY. INFORM CANADA BORDER SERVICES AGENCY (C.B.S.A) OF YOUR E.T.A. AND AIRPORT OF ENTRY. OPEN YOUR FLIGHT PLAN WITH F.S.S. UPON DEPARTURE. ENSURE YOUR FLIGHT PLAN IS ACTIVATED PRIOR TO CROSSING THE BORDER. Personally, I would follow the ALCAN Highway go to Whitehorse, Yukon (CYXY) to clear customs and get an in-person weather briefing through NAVCANADA's pre-flight weather briefers. FILE A FLIGHT PLAN to Watson Lake (CYQH) and onward to Fort Nelson (CYYE). From Ft. Nelson (CYYE) file to either Dawson Creek (CYDQ) or GPS direct to Fort McMurray (CYMM). From Fort McMurray file to Prince Albert (CYPA) Be careful to navigate around the Restricted Cold Lake/Primrose Lake Military Firing Range. From Prince Albert (CYPA) file to Winnipeg/St. Andrews (CYAV). FILE A TRANS BORDER FLIGHT PLAN TO DULUTH OR OSHKOSH AND NOTIFY U.S.A. BORDER SERVICES YOU ARE COMING. OPEN YOUR FLIGHT PLAN. GET A SQUAWK CODE PRIOR TO CROSSING THE BORDER. CLOSE YOUR FLIGHT PLAN UPON ARRIVAL IN THE GOOD OLD U.S.A.

Carry some Canadian coin for vending machines. Canada doesn't issue the 1-cent penny coin anymore. Your dollar is worth 1.31 Canadian. One litre of AVGAS is equal to 33 U.S. fluid ounces, or basically one (1) quart. 3.78 litres equals one (1) U.S. gallon.

Always OPEN and CLOSE your flight plans. Call the appropriate air traffic authority ON THE CORRECT FREQUENCY at least 10 minutes prior to arrival.

Contrary to myth, VFR AT NIGHT IS ALLOWED IN CANADA.
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Same route but with 140 knot speed results:
http://www.gcmap.com/dist?P=cyda-cyxy-c ... 140&SU=kts
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The further South you fly in Canada - the more options you have.

More airports/more facilities and cheaper prices. Plus you will most likely get a better/stronger tailwind component.
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Thanks. I fancy the Northern route.
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Avgas is becoming more scarce in Canada. Keep that in mind and make sure where you're going to be stopping actually has some.
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PostmasterGeneral wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:33 pm
You should be ok in July but as others have said, have a contingency plan in case you need to put ‘er down on the tundra somewhere. Assuming you land nicely and have an ELT which can be relied upon, take enough rations for a couple days, some water, and some form of shelter.
Insect netting and bug spray, too.
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Where are you departing from in Alaska? I presume you are on wheels. Anyways set up an account with DHS and file an eAPIS and a flight plan for a customs stop. Also phone the customs station before your departure. I would clear customs at Whitehorse. Then follow the Alaska Hwy to Fort St. John BC CYXJ)). Next leg I would go to Saskatoon SK (CYXE), then St. Andrews MB (CYAV). File another eAPIS and a flight plan and clear US customs at International Falls MN (KINL) Then you could go non stop KOSH in about 3 hours. Or land short of KOSH and study the arrival procedures before heading to the entry waypoint of your choice. Piece of cake. Northbound out of KOSH you could clear Canadian customs at Ft. Frances, ON. You have plenty of range so will have lots of options for airports both ways.
Another option for customs on the Manitoba-Minnesota Border is Piney-Pinecreek. Canadian and US customs on the airport. Single runway, no fuel, hours of operation may be changing but very convenient. Going home you could also fly westward from KOSH and stay in the US until western Montana. Then clear Canadian customs somewhere south of Calgary AB. Stay in the lee of the Rockies and head for Ft. St.John BC.

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I personally would clear in Whitehorse and with a 1200 mile range, fly to Grande Prairie, Lloydminster, Etevan, clear in Minot, and then the worlds you're oyster from there. A southern route guarantees cheaper and available Avgas, more population, easier SAR, hotels, etc. There's plently of other routes to go as well that don't touch the northern limits. You have to think about the ADIZ since you will be flying in it for a portion of your flight if you go to Inuvik.

This is with a hypothetical departure point of Anchorage.
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Thanks, what's the ADIZ around Inuvik?
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I did once read of a pilot flying the Alaska highway who, if the next pass was in cloud, would land on the highway and taxi over the pass until out of cloud.

Taxiing over a pass puts a lot of trust in the competence of drivers - YMMV.

I do remember one spray plane parked at a pullout in Northern Ontario.

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I fly a bo out of YZF and been up to Inuvik and Tuk a couple of times. From Alaska you are likely well equiped and all set. Yes airports are sparce but generally July is the best time of year to go. Both my trips have been August which has meant a few dreary days in Inuvik but have the time to spare and enjoy. Cruising the delta at 1500 is amazing and the pingos around tuk, we’ll wait till you see it.

I’ve also done YZF to Osh a couple times too and besides your typically prairie boomers it’s a long but relatively easy trip. Have fun!
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www.flightplanning.navcanada.ca is where you will find all the weather resources for canada.
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+1 on the bug spray and head nets, but you probably already knew that.

I presume you're on wheels. Floats do make the trip safer and more fun.

I've done eastern Canada to western Nunavut a couple of times. July is probably the best month for the northern route. Thunderstorms are about the only thing that might keep you grounded.

Oh …. and SMOKE.
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Thanks, yes, smoke. Was a big problem last year.
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With 1200 nm range you could easily skip Inuvik and the Wells and bomb straight for YZF, unless you have a burning desire to go to those places. Either way, as has been mentioned, with the exception of late afternoon/ evening build ups July is usually good weather in that area. Sounds like a fun trip.
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If you swing into inuvik go chat with the aklak pilots about any questions you may have on your route. I used to work there and would from time to time chat with pilots flying vfr to or from Alaska. One couple just had road maps as they were following the Dempster highway lol. We set them up with some outdated aviation maps.
Sounds like a fun trip!! Be safe
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QDMQDMQDM wrote:
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Thanks, yes, smoke. Was a big problem last year.
If this year is like last, the fires in BC will put more of a damper on flying than the weather.
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There's lots of good advice on here, the bug spray in particular! If I were you, I'd stick with your gut and don't be afraid to go across the top of the world! If you need, you can always go the safer route down the Alaska Highway should the weather turn bad, but there's not a lot of adventure in that, you can do it in a Toyota Echo in two days! Remember that the Canadians use 126.7 as an air to air frequency and Edmonton Radio use it as a Broadcast frequency, handy to have if you're up nice and high. You might want to brush up on your RCO and DRCO procedures, there's a lot of emptiness up there and sometimes it's nice to have a direct line to Edmonton Radio.

Make sure you put up some photos of your trip!
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Just for clarification......how is your aircraft configured....??? Floats,wheels,amphibious......

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Keep a close eye on the NOTAMs for Dawson. The Yukon Government is planning to shut it down completely for over a week for paving sometime this summer. Should be done by late July, but you never know.
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