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It's like saying you don't have to wear your seatbelt because you don't plan on getting into an accident. Plan for the worst and hope for the best.
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It added to the humour. I did make a disclaimer it’s for entertainment purposes only.
....Does not mention humour or entertainment only. Why would I share an entertainment only humour video (with errors) with my passengers? This is an important safety topic, not humour nor entertainment!Also when it comes time to actually using one, many people put it on wrong. I made a video below on how to properly inflate a life vest. Feel free to share this with your passengers.
Could be. Loose clothing could also snag you. It's a risk which can be reduced with some practice and level headed egress, but the risk of snagging will never be none. But, unless rescue is assured within the treading water time of a hopefully non injured person in the water, supplementary flotation is vital. If you're injured, and losing consciousness, a life jacket is your only hope. With a broken shoulder and arm, broken back and two broken legs keeping myself afloat was not possible. I could not even use my good arm to pull the toggle to inflate the lifejacket I was already wearing, as I was holding onto a sinking plane. I was able to manually inflate it, and that made the life or death difference. I remember seeing the yellow portion inflating over my shoulder, then I relaxed and left the rescue to others, I could no longer help myself. I was told that my lifevest had been ripped while exiting the plane, but it held enough air.I'm pretty certain Life jackets will hinder egress
During underwater egress training, we wear all of the gear, haven't seen one inflate on it's own yet. They aren't that bulky and the activation toggles are designed not to snag.missed-approach wrote: ↑Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:19 pm I'm pretty certain Life jackets will hinder egress. Most definitely would have prevented me climbing out of the window of my Beaver. Door Jammed. Possibly would have led to premature activation, midway through window opening. Having lost watch and multi tool in the process. However if you are lucky enough to get out alive. Then find yourself in the middle of unfavourable water, aircraft sinking. You have no option other than life jackets. Catch 22.
Yes, the take away from Bryan's training is to make it obvious that if you're not wearing it, you are probably leaving without it, at least if you have not practiced a lot in fumbling around for it! I only got it once out of four tries, and I was working at it.Bryan the dunker guy teaches people to put on a life vest in the water. Not as a preference to having one on before the event, but as an acknowledgement that many people won't.
I saw a commercially-operated Beaver once, when the floats were installed the threaded "boxing wire" rigging rods that criss-cross between the fuselage and the opposite side floats were installed incorrectly. One rod was either damaged on one end or threaded too far into the opposite end- the result was that not very much thread was left where one end of the rod entered the fitting, and the apprentice -one assumes it was an apprentice- thought it was OK. Naturally this failed but not before the Beaver had been quite busy for some time after the floats had been installed. On the landing after a takeoff from some swells, the rod failed and the floats tried to fold up. The pilot felt the gear go all trapezoidal on him on the takeoff and had the presence of mind to land in calm water very close inside the harbour and beach the thing in a boat-slip. It didn't collapse all the way but it definitely looked cock-eyed, and if there had been a swell running in the harbour or the pilot had attempted to turn while on the step, it's easy to imagine that thing hooking a wing and hitting the water sideways in a tangle of struts and wires.
I have been reading this thread with great interest. I too would like to know if any Canadian Commercial Operator(s) have purchased a Pouch Type Device that meets the standards and has been given the nod by TCCA as being compliant. Many people are aware of the CAR change, but the consistent question seems to be...."OK - What do we use?" In the real world of Life Saving - I completely agree with "Something" is better than "Nothing", (my teenage kids hated it when I made them put on a Mustang Inflatable in our Family Boat) but that will not get you past an audit.ragbagflyer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:24 pm What models have people here ordered for commercial use as of Sept 6th?
Operators in this area are simply using the ole faithful ‘bagged’ inflatable life jacket, put inside a fanny pouch and voila, wearing an approved life jacket.ragbagflyer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:24 pm What models have people here ordered for commercial use as of Sept 6th?
The mustang minimalist belt pack is approved for use, as is the pouch style pfd developed by Harbour Air (collaboration with mustang I believe).partsguy.ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:25 pmI have been reading this thread with great interest. I too would like to know if any Canadian Commercial Operator(s) have purchased a Pouch Type Device that meets the standards and has been given the nod by TCCA as being compliant. Many people are aware of the CAR change, but the consistent question seems to be...."OK - What do we use?" In the real world of Life Saving - I completely agree with "Something" is better than "Nothing", (my teenage kids hated it when I made them put on a Mustang Inflatable in our Family Boat) but that will not get you past an audit.ragbagflyer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:24 pm What models have people here ordered for commercial use as of Sept 6th?
What is used in a Recreational Float Plane is not really my question...I'm interested in hearing from Commercial Ops Folks.
Maybe its too soon..
Thanks.
The Harbour Air one is TSO-13, the Mustang minimalist is nothing. It is not allowed...scdriver wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:56 pmThe mustang minimalist belt pack is approved for use, as is the pouch style pfd developed by Harbour Air (collaboration with mustang I believe).partsguy.ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:25 pmI have been reading this thread with great interest. I too would like to know if any Canadian Commercial Operator(s) have purchased a Pouch Type Device that meets the standards and has been given the nod by TCCA as being compliant. Many people are aware of the CAR change, but the consistent question seems to be...."OK - What do we use?" In the real world of Life Saving - I completely agree with "Something" is better than "Nothing", (my teenage kids hated it when I made them put on a Mustang Inflatable in our Family Boat) but that will not get you past an audit.ragbagflyer wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 1:24 pm What models have people here ordered for commercial use as of Sept 6th?
What is used in a Recreational Float Plane is not really my question...I'm interested in hearing from Commercial Ops Folks.
Maybe its too soon..
Thanks.
Our company was given the go ahead to use them by TC. It was a very recent approval (right before the reg change).Vern wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:14 pmThe Harbour Air one is TSO-13, the Mustang minimalist is nothing. It is not allowed...scdriver wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:56 pmThe mustang minimalist belt pack is approved for use, as is the pouch style pfd developed by Harbour Air (collaboration with mustang I believe).partsguy.ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:25 pm
I have been reading this thread with great interest. I too would like to know if any Canadian Commercial Operator(s) have purchased a Pouch Type Device that meets the standards and has been given the nod by TCCA as being compliant. Many people are aware of the CAR change, but the consistent question seems to be...."OK - What do we use?" In the real world of Life Saving - I completely agree with "Something" is better than "Nothing", (my teenage kids hated it when I made them put on a Mustang Inflatable in our Family Boat) but that will not get you past an audit.
What is used in a Recreational Float Plane is not really my question...I'm interested in hearing from Commercial Ops Folks.
Maybe its too soon..
Thanks.