More, from the Boeing e-mails recently provided to Congress:
Boeing Mocked Lion Air Calls for More 737 Max Training Before Crash
Indonesia’s Lion Air considered putting its pilots through simulator training before flying the Boeing Co. 737 Max but abandoned the idea after the planemaker convinced them in 2017 it was unnecessary, according to people familiar with the matter and internal company communications.
Boeing employees had expressed alarm among themselves over the possibility that one of the company’s largest customers might require its pilots to undergo costly simulator training before flying the new 737 model, according to internal messages that have been released to the media. Those messages, included in the more than 100 pages of internal Boeing communications that the company provided to lawmakers and the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and released widely on Thursday, had Lion Air’s name redacted.
“Now friggin Lion Air might need a sim to fly the MAX, and maybe because of their own stupidity. I’m scrambling trying to figure out how to unscrew this now! idiots,” one Boeing employee wrote in June 2017 text messages obtained by the company and released by the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.
In response, a Boeing colleague replied: “WHAT THE F%$&!!!! But their sister airline is already flying it!” That was an apparent reference to Malindo Air, the Malaysian-based carrier that was the first to fly the Max commercially.
Doing simulator training would have undercut a critical selling point of the jet: that airlines would be able to allow crews trained on an older 737 version to fly the Max after just a brief computer course.
In a report on the Oct. 29, 2018 accident, Indonesia’s National Transportation Safety Committee cited a failure by Boeing to tell pilots about the new flight-control feature on the jet, called MCAS, and the need to provide training on it so that pilots would be able to better respond to malfunctions.
The report also cited shortfalls in the crew’s ability to perform emergency check lists, fly the plane manually and communicate about the emergency. The copilot, who took nearly four minutes to look up an emergency procedure he was supposed to have memorized, was singled out for repeated failures during training.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... hwarted-it
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The oft-quoted statement of George Santayana comes to mind: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
From today's New York Times—offer safety as an "option," for a price, then if the option is not purchased, blame the pilots for the outcome...
How Boeing’s Responsibility in a Deadly Crash ‘Got Buried’
After a Boeing 737 crashed near Amsterdam more than a decade ago, the Dutch investigators focused blame on the pilots for failing to react properly when an automated system malfunctioned and caused the plane to plummet into a field, killing nine people.
The fault was hardly the crew’s alone, however. Decisions by Boeing, including risky design choices and faulty safety assessments, also contributed to the accident on the Turkish Airlines flight. But the Dutch Safety Board either excluded or played down criticisms of the manufacturer in its final report after pushback from a team of Americans that included Boeing and federal safety officials, documents and interviews show.
A review by The New York Times of evidence from the 2009 accident, some of it previously confidential, reveals striking parallels with the recent crashes — and resistance by the team of Americans to a full airing of findings that later proved relevant to the Max.
In the 2009 and Max accidents, for example, the failure of a single sensor caused systems to misfire, with catastrophic results, and Boeing had not provided pilots with information that could have helped them react to the malfunction. The earlier accident “represents such a sentinel event that was never taken seriously,” said Sidney Dekker, an aviation safety expert who was commissioned by the Dutch Safety Board to analyze the crash.
Dr. Dekker’s study accused Boeing of trying to deflect attention from its own “design shortcomings” and other mistakes with “hardly credible” statements that admonished pilots to be more vigilant, according to a copy reviewed by The Times.
The muted criticism of Boeing after the 2009 accident fits within a broader pattern, brought to light since the Max tragedies, of the company benefiting from a light-touch approach by safety officials
Some of the parallels between that accident and the more recent ones are particularly noteworthy. Boeing’s design decisions on both the Max and the plane involved in the 2009 crash — the 737 NG, or Next Generation — allowed a powerful computer command to be triggered by a single faulty sensor, even though each plane was equipped with two sensors, as Bloomberg reported last year. In the two Max accidents, a sensor measuring the plane’s angle to the wind prompted a flight control computer to push its nose down after takeoff; on the Turkish Airlines flight, an altitude sensor caused a different computer to cut the plane’s speed just before landing.
Boeing had determined before 2009 that if the sensor malfunctioned, the crew would quickly recognize the problem and prevent the plane from stalling — much the same assumption about pilot behavior made with the Max.
And as with the more recent crashes, Boeing had not included information in the NG operations manual that could have helped the pilots respond when the sensor failed.
Critically, in the case of the NG, Boeing had already developed the software fix well before the Turkish Airlines crash, including it on new planes starting in 2006 and offering it as an optional update on hundreds of other aircraft. But for some older jets, including the one that crashed near Amsterdam, the update wouldn’t work, and Boeing did not develop a compatible version until after the accident.
The problem with the single sensor, he said, should have dissuaded Boeing from using a similar design in the Max. Instead, “the issue got buried.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/20/busi ... ents.html
From today's New York Times—offer safety as an "option," for a price, then if the option is not purchased, blame the pilots for the outcome...
How Boeing’s Responsibility in a Deadly Crash ‘Got Buried’
After a Boeing 737 crashed near Amsterdam more than a decade ago, the Dutch investigators focused blame on the pilots for failing to react properly when an automated system malfunctioned and caused the plane to plummet into a field, killing nine people.
The fault was hardly the crew’s alone, however. Decisions by Boeing, including risky design choices and faulty safety assessments, also contributed to the accident on the Turkish Airlines flight. But the Dutch Safety Board either excluded or played down criticisms of the manufacturer in its final report after pushback from a team of Americans that included Boeing and federal safety officials, documents and interviews show.
A review by The New York Times of evidence from the 2009 accident, some of it previously confidential, reveals striking parallels with the recent crashes — and resistance by the team of Americans to a full airing of findings that later proved relevant to the Max.
In the 2009 and Max accidents, for example, the failure of a single sensor caused systems to misfire, with catastrophic results, and Boeing had not provided pilots with information that could have helped them react to the malfunction. The earlier accident “represents such a sentinel event that was never taken seriously,” said Sidney Dekker, an aviation safety expert who was commissioned by the Dutch Safety Board to analyze the crash.
Dr. Dekker’s study accused Boeing of trying to deflect attention from its own “design shortcomings” and other mistakes with “hardly credible” statements that admonished pilots to be more vigilant, according to a copy reviewed by The Times.
The muted criticism of Boeing after the 2009 accident fits within a broader pattern, brought to light since the Max tragedies, of the company benefiting from a light-touch approach by safety officials
Some of the parallels between that accident and the more recent ones are particularly noteworthy. Boeing’s design decisions on both the Max and the plane involved in the 2009 crash — the 737 NG, or Next Generation — allowed a powerful computer command to be triggered by a single faulty sensor, even though each plane was equipped with two sensors, as Bloomberg reported last year. In the two Max accidents, a sensor measuring the plane’s angle to the wind prompted a flight control computer to push its nose down after takeoff; on the Turkish Airlines flight, an altitude sensor caused a different computer to cut the plane’s speed just before landing.
Boeing had determined before 2009 that if the sensor malfunctioned, the crew would quickly recognize the problem and prevent the plane from stalling — much the same assumption about pilot behavior made with the Max.
And as with the more recent crashes, Boeing had not included information in the NG operations manual that could have helped the pilots respond when the sensor failed.
Critically, in the case of the NG, Boeing had already developed the software fix well before the Turkish Airlines crash, including it on new planes starting in 2006 and offering it as an optional update on hundreds of other aircraft. But for some older jets, including the one that crashed near Amsterdam, the update wouldn’t work, and Boeing did not develop a compatible version until after the accident.
The problem with the single sensor, he said, should have dissuaded Boeing from using a similar design in the Max. Instead, “the issue got buried.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/20/busi ... ents.html
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Boeing has been found to follow the proper certification process.
There’s the NY Times and there are the facts:
https://www.avweb.com/flight-safety/faa ... ification/
There’s the NY Times and there are the facts:
https://www.avweb.com/flight-safety/faa ... ification/
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For a plane that is properly certified, it sure takes a long time to get it... uh .. recertified?L39Guy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:03 am Boeing has been found to follow the proper certification process.
There’s the NY Times and there are the facts:
https://www.avweb.com/flight-safety/faa ... ification/
Good to know the government says the government was properly following all certification procedures
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
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The technical recertification of this airplane was a long time ago; the issue has been political and optics for months now.
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The proof is that it's stated on Avcanada - that always makes it true.
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Say what?
How about a source for this?
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From CNBC today:
Boeing is in talks to borrow $10 billion or more as 737 Max crisis wears on
Boeing is in talks with banks to secure a loan of $10 billion or more, according to people familiar with the matter, as the company faces rising costs stemming from two fatal 737 Max crashes.
The company has secured at least $6 billion from banks so far, the people said, and is talking to other lenders for more contributions. The total amount could rise if there is additional demand from banks, one person familiar with the matter said.
The loan Boeing is negotiating will be a two-year, delayed-draw loan, meaning Boeing can tap into it later, a move that may not immediately affect its credit rating as another type of loan or a bond would, according to one of the people familiar with the matter.
Boeing’s pause of the planes, which had been its best-selling aircraft, is hurting its supply chain. Spirit AeroSystems, which makes fuselages and other parts for the 737 Max, said earlier this month it would lay off 2,800 workers.
Moody’s downgraded Spirit to junk territory last week, saying it “reflects our expectation that Spirit’s liquidity profile will quickly and materially erode in the absence of mitigating developments that remain largely out of the company’s control.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/20/737-max ... -more.html
Boeing is in talks to borrow $10 billion or more as 737 Max crisis wears on
Boeing is in talks with banks to secure a loan of $10 billion or more, according to people familiar with the matter, as the company faces rising costs stemming from two fatal 737 Max crashes.
The company has secured at least $6 billion from banks so far, the people said, and is talking to other lenders for more contributions. The total amount could rise if there is additional demand from banks, one person familiar with the matter said.
The loan Boeing is negotiating will be a two-year, delayed-draw loan, meaning Boeing can tap into it later, a move that may not immediately affect its credit rating as another type of loan or a bond would, according to one of the people familiar with the matter.
Boeing’s pause of the planes, which had been its best-selling aircraft, is hurting its supply chain. Spirit AeroSystems, which makes fuselages and other parts for the 737 Max, said earlier this month it would lay off 2,800 workers.
Moody’s downgraded Spirit to junk territory last week, saying it “reflects our expectation that Spirit’s liquidity profile will quickly and materially erode in the absence of mitigating developments that remain largely out of the company’s control.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/20/737-max ... -more.html
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Well think what you like, but the evidence suggests otherwise.
“ Boeing still must finish the software package, conduct one or more demonstration flights with FAA experts on board, and bring in airline pilots to test the changes it is making.”
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... e-737-max/
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This has nothing whatsoever to do with MCAS and is not considered to be safety critical.
The 787 is currently having a software issue that will be rectified in the next update. The fleet has not been grounded nor should it.
Just because there is a software issue that doesn’t make an aircraft unsafe. An SB, an AD or an emergency AD handles most situations rather than a grounding.
The 787 is currently having a software issue that will be rectified in the next update. The fleet has not been grounded nor should it.
Just because there is a software issue that doesn’t make an aircraft unsafe. An SB, an AD or an emergency AD handles most situations rather than a grounding.
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This situation is the aircraft was a able to boot up, or start up the computers at all, they all crashed.L39Guy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:26 pm This has nothing whatsoever to do with MCAS and is not considered to be safety critical.
The 787 is currently having a software issue that will be rectified in the next update. The fleet has not been grounded nor should it.
Just because there is a software issue that doesn’t make an aircraft unsafe. An SB, an AD or an emergency AD handles most situations rather than a grounding.
It’s actually quite hilarious when you think about it.
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From CNN this morning...
Boeing has officially stopped making 737 Max airplanes
The assembly line in Renton, Washington, has stopped building Boeing's bestselling plane, the company confirmed late Monday. Boeing announced plans to temporarily halt production for an undetermined period in December, but it had not previously announced a precise day for the shutdown.
Boeing will not furlough or lay off workers because of the shutdown, but pain will ripple through its supply chain and could hurt America's economic growth. The shutdown will make restarting production and recovering from the crisis more difficult for Boeing once it finally gets permission for the plane to fly again.
The 737 Max has been grounded since March following two fatal crashes that killed all 346 people on board. Although Boeing couldn't deliver the 737 Max planes to customers, the company continued to build the jets, albeit at a slightly reduced pace of 42 a month. It now has about 400 completed jets parked in Washington and Texas, waiting to be delivered to airlines around the world.
But Boeing (BA) doesn't get most of its money from the sale of the jets until they are delivered, and it could not indefinitely continue to incur the costs of building them without being able to deliver them.
Boeing would not release a headcount for people who had been working on the plane. The company said the employees will be reassigned to other duties during the shutdown, and there are a number of reasons for that.
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In his email to Boeing employees a week ago, new CEO Dave Calhoun said the company would "keep taking steps to maintain our supply chain and workforce expertise so we're ready to restart production."
But Boeing's largest supplier, Spirit AeroSystems (SPR), which makes the fuselage and other parts for the Max, announced on January 10 that it would lay off 2,800 employees in Wichita, Kansas. Spirit's shutdown will probably last longer than Boeing's, because it has continued making 52 fuselages a month since March, more than than the the reduced pace at which Boeing was building. So Boeing has about 100 completed fuselages waiting for it to resume production.
Other Boeing suppliers have also laid off staff without making public announcements. At least seven other Boeing suppliers got 10% or more of their revenue from the 737 Max program, according to credit rating agency Moody's. The Max accounted for about 50% of Spirit's business, and the suspension of the line resulted in its debt being downgraded to junk bond status.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/business ... index.html
Boeing has officially stopped making 737 Max airplanes
The assembly line in Renton, Washington, has stopped building Boeing's bestselling plane, the company confirmed late Monday. Boeing announced plans to temporarily halt production for an undetermined period in December, but it had not previously announced a precise day for the shutdown.
Boeing will not furlough or lay off workers because of the shutdown, but pain will ripple through its supply chain and could hurt America's economic growth. The shutdown will make restarting production and recovering from the crisis more difficult for Boeing once it finally gets permission for the plane to fly again.
The 737 Max has been grounded since March following two fatal crashes that killed all 346 people on board. Although Boeing couldn't deliver the 737 Max planes to customers, the company continued to build the jets, albeit at a slightly reduced pace of 42 a month. It now has about 400 completed jets parked in Washington and Texas, waiting to be delivered to airlines around the world.
But Boeing (BA) doesn't get most of its money from the sale of the jets until they are delivered, and it could not indefinitely continue to incur the costs of building them without being able to deliver them.
Boeing would not release a headcount for people who had been working on the plane. The company said the employees will be reassigned to other duties during the shutdown, and there are a number of reasons for that.
…
In his email to Boeing employees a week ago, new CEO Dave Calhoun said the company would "keep taking steps to maintain our supply chain and workforce expertise so we're ready to restart production."
But Boeing's largest supplier, Spirit AeroSystems (SPR), which makes the fuselage and other parts for the Max, announced on January 10 that it would lay off 2,800 employees in Wichita, Kansas. Spirit's shutdown will probably last longer than Boeing's, because it has continued making 52 fuselages a month since March, more than than the the reduced pace at which Boeing was building. So Boeing has about 100 completed fuselages waiting for it to resume production.
Other Boeing suppliers have also laid off staff without making public announcements. At least seven other Boeing suppliers got 10% or more of their revenue from the 737 Max program, according to credit rating agency Moody's. The Max accounted for about 50% of Spirit's business, and the suspension of the line resulted in its debt being downgraded to junk bond status.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/business ... index.html
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Boeing stock trading was temporarily halted Tuesday after shares fell by almost 6 percent on reports that regulators plan to keep the company's fleet of troubled 737 Max airplanes grounded until July, far longer than originally planned.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/busine ... t-n1119586
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/busine ... t-n1119586
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Ninth delay...From today's Winnipeg Free Press...
WestJet removes grounded Max from schedule until June 24 on advice from Boeing
CALGARY - WestJet Airlines Ltd. says is removing Boeing's grounded 737 Max jet from flight schedules through June 24 following the manufacturer's latest guidance about regulatory approval for the plane to fly again.
The Calgary-based airline says the change marks the ninth delay of the plane's return to service after regulatory authorities across the globe banned the Max from the skies last March following two fatal crashes in five months.
Boeing advised customers and suppliers Tuesday that it currently estimates that the plane will remain grounded until mid-year.
It says the forecast is based on its experience with the certification process, its ongoing attempts to address known schedule risks and developments that may arise in connection with the certification process.
Further details are to be presented during Boeing's quarterly results to be released next week.
WestJet CEO Ed Sims says the airline is confident in the regulatory process undertaken by the Federal Aviation Authority and Transport Canada to ensure the safe return of the aircraft.
The airline says it has completed more than 98 per cent of planned departures even while its 13 Max aircraft remain on the ground.
Air Canada, which has so far pulled the grounded jet from its schedules through March 31, says it is still awaiting decisions from relevant regulatory authorities who will determine the plane's safe return to service.
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busin ... 76222.html
WestJet removes grounded Max from schedule until June 24 on advice from Boeing
CALGARY - WestJet Airlines Ltd. says is removing Boeing's grounded 737 Max jet from flight schedules through June 24 following the manufacturer's latest guidance about regulatory approval for the plane to fly again.
The Calgary-based airline says the change marks the ninth delay of the plane's return to service after regulatory authorities across the globe banned the Max from the skies last March following two fatal crashes in five months.
Boeing advised customers and suppliers Tuesday that it currently estimates that the plane will remain grounded until mid-year.
It says the forecast is based on its experience with the certification process, its ongoing attempts to address known schedule risks and developments that may arise in connection with the certification process.
Further details are to be presented during Boeing's quarterly results to be released next week.
WestJet CEO Ed Sims says the airline is confident in the regulatory process undertaken by the Federal Aviation Authority and Transport Canada to ensure the safe return of the aircraft.
The airline says it has completed more than 98 per cent of planned departures even while its 13 Max aircraft remain on the ground.
Air Canada, which has so far pulled the grounded jet from its schedules through March 31, says it is still awaiting decisions from relevant regulatory authorities who will determine the plane's safe return to service.
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busin ... 76222.html
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Delayed to June 30th...
Air Canada, WestJet scrub Boeing 737 Max from schedules until June
MONTREAL - Canada's two biggest airlines pushed back the return of the beleaguered 737 Max after airplane maker Boeing Co. said it did not expect regulators to green-light the jet for takeoff until the middle of the year.
The delay until late June by Air Canada and WestJet Airlines Ltd. follows similar moves by American Airlines, United Airlines and Southwest Airlines, further jeopardizing routes and profit margins.
The airlines' decision marks the latest in a series of delays that have hampered growth plans, reduced revenue and capacity and bumped up costs for the carriers, which have had to spend more on leases for aircraft that are less fuel-efficient.
Air Canada had been on track to have 36 Max 8s — one-quarter of its narrow-body fleet — by the end of 2019, with 14 more scheduled to arrive this year. WestJet was slated to receive two last year and two in 2020 on top of the 13 now sitting idle.
Air Canada said Wednesday that scrubbing the Max from its schedule for the second time in three weeks was based on operational considerations and meant to provide customers with certainty around planning and booking travel.
Earlier this month the Montreal-based airline opted to push back the return of the aircraft until March 31, with the new re-entry date pegged at June 30.
WestJet announced Tuesday that it will remove the plane from its flight schedule until June 24.
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busin ... 4422.html
Air Canada, WestJet scrub Boeing 737 Max from schedules until June
MONTREAL - Canada's two biggest airlines pushed back the return of the beleaguered 737 Max after airplane maker Boeing Co. said it did not expect regulators to green-light the jet for takeoff until the middle of the year.
The delay until late June by Air Canada and WestJet Airlines Ltd. follows similar moves by American Airlines, United Airlines and Southwest Airlines, further jeopardizing routes and profit margins.
The airlines' decision marks the latest in a series of delays that have hampered growth plans, reduced revenue and capacity and bumped up costs for the carriers, which have had to spend more on leases for aircraft that are less fuel-efficient.
Air Canada had been on track to have 36 Max 8s — one-quarter of its narrow-body fleet — by the end of 2019, with 14 more scheduled to arrive this year. WestJet was slated to receive two last year and two in 2020 on top of the 13 now sitting idle.
Air Canada said Wednesday that scrubbing the Max from its schedule for the second time in three weeks was based on operational considerations and meant to provide customers with certainty around planning and booking travel.
Earlier this month the Montreal-based airline opted to push back the return of the aircraft until March 31, with the new re-entry date pegged at June 30.
WestJet announced Tuesday that it will remove the plane from its flight schedule until June 24.
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/busin ... 4422.html
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Today's New York Times:
Boeing Pushes Back 737 Max Return Again
The company told airlines it did not expect regulators to approve the plane to fly until June or July, the latest in a string of setbacks.
The return of Boeing’s 737 Max has been delayed again. On Tuesday, the company said it did not expect regulators to approve the jet to fly again until the middle of the year. American Airlines, United and Southwest had already taken Max flights off their schedules until June, and if this new timeline holds, it would further push back when the plane will be available for commercial flights.
The announcement reflects Boeing’s new appreciation for the challenges facing the company in its effort to persuade regulators that the Max is ready to fly. Boeing and the Federal Aviation Administration have continued to find new flaws with the Max that go beyond an automated software system known as MCAS. The software contributed to two accidents, in late 2018 and early 2019, that killed 346 people and led to the worldwide grounding of the Max in March.
But the new estimate is conservative and intended in part to give Boeing some leeway with airline customers, who became frustrated over the past 10 months after the company repeatedly missed its own optimistic deadlines for the plane’s return to service, according to three people familiar with the matter. If regulators find no new problems with the plane, they could lift the grounding by the spring, the people said.
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Boeing is also working through a separate software problem that prevented its flight control computers from turning on. And this month, the company told airlines that it would recommend flight simulator training for pilots before flying the Max. That could delay the return of the plane even after regulatory approval since it will take longer than the iPad lesson the company was originally planning to give pilots.
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Mr. Muilenburg’s replacement, David Calhoun, formally stepped into the chief executive role last week. For its part, the F.A.A. said it was continuing with the process of getting the plane approved to fly again. “We have set no time frame for when the work will be completed,” the agency said in a statement.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/busi ... 7-max.html
Boeing Pushes Back 737 Max Return Again
The company told airlines it did not expect regulators to approve the plane to fly until June or July, the latest in a string of setbacks.
The return of Boeing’s 737 Max has been delayed again. On Tuesday, the company said it did not expect regulators to approve the jet to fly again until the middle of the year. American Airlines, United and Southwest had already taken Max flights off their schedules until June, and if this new timeline holds, it would further push back when the plane will be available for commercial flights.
The announcement reflects Boeing’s new appreciation for the challenges facing the company in its effort to persuade regulators that the Max is ready to fly. Boeing and the Federal Aviation Administration have continued to find new flaws with the Max that go beyond an automated software system known as MCAS. The software contributed to two accidents, in late 2018 and early 2019, that killed 346 people and led to the worldwide grounding of the Max in March.
But the new estimate is conservative and intended in part to give Boeing some leeway with airline customers, who became frustrated over the past 10 months after the company repeatedly missed its own optimistic deadlines for the plane’s return to service, according to three people familiar with the matter. If regulators find no new problems with the plane, they could lift the grounding by the spring, the people said.
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Boeing is also working through a separate software problem that prevented its flight control computers from turning on. And this month, the company told airlines that it would recommend flight simulator training for pilots before flying the Max. That could delay the return of the plane even after regulatory approval since it will take longer than the iPad lesson the company was originally planning to give pilots.
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Mr. Muilenburg’s replacement, David Calhoun, formally stepped into the chief executive role last week. For its part, the F.A.A. said it was continuing with the process of getting the plane approved to fly again. “We have set no time frame for when the work will be completed,” the agency said in a statement.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/busi ... 7-max.html
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So, Boeing said that the new status quo should remain.
I thought they were going to stop giving dates?
I thought they were going to stop giving dates?
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Proof of why CBC should be defunded - a terrible and sensationalized story, particularly since the official report has been available for over 3 months. Not surprising in a sense at Terrence McKenna got caught by veterans a few years ago exercising less than honest journalism.
https://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2019- ... he-737-max
https://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2019- ... he-737-max
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