Getting paid by client to provide sightseeing in my plane?
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Re: Getting paid by client to provide sightseeing in my plane?
Basically, if someone wants to "go for a ride" in your airplane , you can legally ask them to help out with the fuel
From what I understand , you are not allowed to collect revenue as in make a profit .
If it were me I would ask for help with the flight ie if the operating costs to fly my airplane was $100/hr I would ask them to contribute $95/hr . I won't even get started with how ridiculous it is to need to have a CPL in some cases.
From what I understand , you are not allowed to collect revenue as in make a profit .
If it were me I would ask for help with the flight ie if the operating costs to fly my airplane was $100/hr I would ask them to contribute $95/hr . I won't even get started with how ridiculous it is to need to have a CPL in some cases.
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Re: Getting paid by client to provide sightseeing in my plane?
I don't think you can do that.
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Oh ya, why is that ?
No profit has been made
This has been a practice since the beginning of aviation and as far as I know as long as you are operating a ride business and or making a profit , there is no problem suggesting that someone contribute towards fuel . I for one have never seen anyone violated for this.
401.28 (1) The holder of a private pilot licence shall not act as the pilot‑in‑command of an aeroplane or helicopter for hire or reward unless the conditions set out in subsection (2), (3), (4) or (5), as applicable, are met.
(2) The holder of a private pilot licence may receive reimbursement for costs incurred in respect of a flight if the holder
(a) is the owner or operator of the aircraft;
(b) conducts the flight for purposes other than hire or reward;
(c) carries passengers only incidentally to the purposes of the flight; and
(d) receives a reimbursement that
(i) is provided only by the passengers referred to in paragraph (c), and
(ii) is for the purpose of sharing the costs of fuel, oil and fees charged against the aircraft in respect of the flight, as applicable.
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Re: Getting paid by client to provide sightseeing in my plane?
fleet16b: "Basically, if someone wants to "go for a ride" in your airplane , you can legally ask them to help out with the fuel"
But that would violate "(c) carries passengers only incidentally to the purposes of the flight" also mentioned in your post.
Again, many folks smarter than you and I have tried to engage in "Chisel Charters" and they usually find out that you can't make a habit of it... Word gets around and one day you'll find out that somebody from Enforcement will want to have a discussion. AFTER they've talked to your 'passengers', of course...
But that would violate "(c) carries passengers only incidentally to the purposes of the flight" also mentioned in your post.
Again, many folks smarter than you and I have tried to engage in "Chisel Charters" and they usually find out that you can't make a habit of it... Word gets around and one day you'll find out that somebody from Enforcement will want to have a discussion. AFTER they've talked to your 'passengers', of course...
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Re: Getting paid by client to provide sightseeing in my plane?
I think "asking" -- especially to pay 95% -- routinely can get one in trouble. Offering, might be fine.
I think I read a couple of articles on this. An "equal split" -- more defensible. Also read enforcement considered somewhere doing this to gain hours for the CPL could be considered a benefit, and so a no no.
I think I read a couple of articles on this. An "equal split" -- more defensible. Also read enforcement considered somewhere doing this to gain hours for the CPL could be considered a benefit, and so a no no.
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Re: Getting paid by client to provide sightseeing in my plane?
On the flip side, you could argue the hours to complete a commercial are "incidental" as whether you are splitting the cost or not, you NEED to fly those hours.rookiepilot wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:52 am...Also read enforcement considered somewhere doing this to gain hours for the CPL could be considered a benefit, and so a no no.
Cost sharing I wouldn't be too worried about it. Advertising on craigslist... well good luck with that.
Also huge red flag right in the title of this thread. "CLIENT". Word that suggests providing a service... not incidental at all.
Re: Getting paid by client to provide sightseeing in my plane?
Technically, you can argue anything. Being loud =/= being right, and it has come up before. Perhaps a good read of the TATC records for some sort of precedent if you really, really want to push it with a chance of getting away with it is in order.Cleared4TheOption wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:02 pm On the flip side, you could argue the hours to complete a commercial are "incidental" as whether you are splitting the cost or not, you NEED to fly those hours.
Re: Getting paid by client to provide sightseeing in my plane?
That has been the position in the US, where the FAA has published much advice to that effect. See for example, Harrington:rookiepilot wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:52 am Also read enforcement considered somewhere doing this to gain hours for the CPL could be considered a benefit, and so a no no.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/he ... tation.pdf
But the rules there are differently worded to here in Canada, and interpreted and enforced differently too. I don't recall anything in writing about how TC interprets it.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
Re: Getting paid by client to provide sightseeing in my plane?
Ok, if you are so motivated to do chisel charters with some poor unsuspecting pax, let me offer you a better option.
I may know aguy who knows a guy that will pay you very decent bucks for a few hours of night flying. Cargo only, so no worries about hurting pax. And you will get nightime PIC for your ”ehs”.
If your plan isto skirt around laws and regulations, and ignore your pax safety, go for the big bucks...Did I mention that all so important night PIC time?
No need to thank me. I am just a giver.
I may know aguy who knows a guy that will pay you very decent bucks for a few hours of night flying. Cargo only, so no worries about hurting pax. And you will get nightime PIC for your ”ehs”.
If your plan isto skirt around laws and regulations, and ignore your pax safety, go for the big bucks...Did I mention that all so important night PIC time?
No need to thank me. I am just a giver.
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