Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by tbayav8er » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:05 am

Yes, YQR seems to be especially strict. I was going through security with the crew one time in YQR, and in a very dramatic way, the CATSA agent asked the guy I was flying with "Is there something sharp in your lunch bag???"....He responded "uh...no, I don't think so"....She dramatically opened the lunch bag, searched through it, found his butter knife, and said "well what do you call this???"....and then confiscated his butter knife. The fork was okay though...
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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by skypirate88 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:25 am

Similar thing happened to me through YOW. Scanned my bag and took the butter knife I'd been carrying around for a month but the fork was fine. They also scolded us for not taking out our iPads. We were an entire operating crew.
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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by Phlyer » Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:44 am

Anytime I felt like they were going too far I would demand to see their supervisor.
They backed down - always.
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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by ahramin » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:15 pm

There's no rule from TC against butter knives.
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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by rookiepilot » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:39 pm

The power tripping of these guys is unbelievable.

I've traveled all over the world and CATSA is among if not the worst. Brutally poorly trained and unprofessional.
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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by Gannet167 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:16 pm

Did the butter knife have an airline logo on it? The same butter knife that will be handed out to the entire business class once the door is closed and locked? Geez! Imagine if someone brought that on board, the danger, dear God save us. I too have had such weaponry in my fingertips, although if I needed an instrument of destruction, I think I'd favour the fire axe.

I love how when they ask "computer? " and I say "iPad, no keyboard" they roll their eyes. Duh. Are you new? IPads don't count, moron. Unless there's a keyboard attached, then it's safety critical. At another airport, "computer?"... "iPad, no keyboard" you get given the gears "an iPad is a computer! What didn't you understand? Get it out of your bag now!" and eye rolling, what are you? New? Idiot.

I just can't win.

Funny because the #1 thing that provides the greatest level of safety and in an immensely wide variety of different ways is the flight crew. I am the safety and security of the travelling public. And yet I'm treated like an inmate in a prison. Can't let the pilot have a butter knife, think of what he/she could do with it. It's just not safe.

If some air crew wanted to do something nefarious, they dont need a butter knife, don't even need an axe, they don't need anything. They're sitting at the controls. In fact they don't even need to do anything, it's by neglecting to do any number of many important and skillful things that they could allow a situation to develop which would be tremendously more severe than anything you could accomplish with 100ml of shave cream - or even with (que horror music) a butter knife.

It's honestly insulting the level of trust placed in us as professionals, yet the lack of trust afforded us with shaving cream and the same butter knife everyone on board is provided.

Its sort of like not allowing a doctor to have any sharp instruments. Hey, he could hurt someone! But then letting the guy conduct surgery.
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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by digits_ » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:37 pm

The idea is not that you would use the knife to carsh your airplane, but that you would give the knife to another passenger on another flight so they can attempt to hijack the flight.

But it's still ridiculous. If you can do it with a butter knife, you can do it without a butter knife as well ;-)
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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by Mooney21 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:26 am

I debate a security matter with CATSA HQ when I was with the airline. I asked them to show me the regulations applicable in the matter and I was told that CATSA regulations are classified. So as an aircrew, you are required to abide by CATSA regulations but you are not entitled to known what these regulations are. This is how f.u. this organization is.
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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by Capt. Underpants » Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:03 pm

Mooney21 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:26 am
I debate a security matter with CATSA HQ when I was with the airline. I asked them to show me the regulations applicable in the matter and I was told that CATSA regulations are classified. So as an aircrew, you are required to abide by CATSA regulations but you are not entitled to known what these regulations are. This is how f.u. this organization is.
That answer was 100% poppycock. They are called Canadian Aviation Security Regulations and they are posted just like all other federal laws.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/reg ... lText.html
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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by av8ts » Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:44 am

ahramin wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:43 pm
av8ts wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:16 pm
ahramin wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:26 pm
Only at certain airports. This is not a Transport Canada rule but rather a rule invented by a security clown-in-charge at one airport and copied by others. YYJ, YEG, and YUL are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.
It’s a TC rule. Crew in uniform are only exempt from the liquids and gels rule for items inside their bags
Source?
Section 25 of the Screening Security Measures states that the LAGS (liquids/gels) must be in the crew members carry-on baggage
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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by ahramin » Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:33 am

Thank you.
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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by Jumbo744 » Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:57 pm

If you bring too much liquid, the TSA confiscates it and throws it away, in case it's a bomb. So they throw it away, in case it's a bomb, in the garbage can right next to them. With all the other possible bombs, in the area with the most amount of people.

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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by AirFrame » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:46 am

CATSA and the TSA are not about security. They are about the illusion of security. It's the natural reaction to the "we have to do *something*" mentality when doing nothing would be a better choice.
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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by altiplano » Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:45 am

av8ts wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:44 am
ahramin wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:43 pm
av8ts wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:16 pm


It’s a TC rule. Crew in uniform are only exempt from the liquids and gels rule for items inside their bags
Source?
Section 25 of the Screening Security Measures states that the LAGS (liquids/gels) must be in the crew members carry-on baggage
I believe that is an incorrect interpretation, as semantic as it may seem:

Liquids and gels, in whatever state they are with me, is by definition carry on baggage as it is a personal belonging that I have access to, and it may be brought. Period.
carry-on baggage means any baggage and personal belongings to which a person has or will have access on board an aircraft.
Every item you bring on board - in a bag, not in a bag, the bag, whatever state it is in, it is "carry-on baggage" by definition in the applicable regulation.

So walk on through with coffee in hand, large water bottle on top of your flight bag, and fresh tub of pomade in your pocket. However you have it, it is in your carry-on baggage.
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Re: Commuting In/Out of Uniform & CATSA

Post by Donald » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:46 am

Jumbo744 wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:57 pm
If you bring too much liquid, the TSA confiscates it and throws it away, in case it's a bomb. So they throw it away, in case it's a bomb, in the garbage can right next to them. With all the other possible bombs, in the area with the most amount of people.

#TSAlogic
Like the time they left a pipe bomb in a managers office for 4 days, after they initially tried to allow the passenger to have it?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton ... -1.2508824
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