could of been the whiskey-could of been the beer

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could of been the whiskey-could of been the beer

Post by valleyboy » Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:43 am

@BBCNews: Pilots arrested at Glasgow Airport before boarding US flight https://bbc.in/31h3QJi

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"Stupid is what stupid gets" - i should think these guys are old enough and have been around to know that security gets an erection if they think they can bust a pilot for drinking - a word to the wise!
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Re: could of been the whiskey-could of been the beer

Post by ogopogo » Sat Aug 03, 2019 2:44 pm

It’s “ have”.

“Could have”.
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Re: could of been the whiskey-could of been the beer

Post by valleyboy » Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:43 pm

picking pepper out of fly shit - :smt040 - i stand corrected but I don't plagiarize. :mrgreen:
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Re: could of been the whiskey-could of been the beer

Post by Beefitarian » Sat Aug 03, 2019 4:31 pm

Might have been the gin.
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Re: could of been the whiskey-could of been the beer

Post by corethatthermal » Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:15 pm

security gets an erection if they think they can bust a pilot for drinking - a word to the wise!
Are you part of the old boys club, defending the pilots ?
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Post by Meatservo » Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:56 am

Whenever this happens, lately it seems to happen in Glasgow. Why is that?
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Post by valleyboy » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:19 am

Are you part of the old boys club, defending the pilots ?
Now that's a leap - jeeezus - maybe read the post more closely.

It is a fact that security thinks it's truly a feather in their cap to catch a drunk pilot and don't kid yourself, they are watching closely every time you pass through security. The whole post was to reinforce the fact and drinking on lay overs is a thing of the past.

Two senior pilots should know better - simple as that. Now they will pay a steep price. Crews never seen to learn.
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Post by AuxBatOn » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:22 am

valleyboy wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:19 am

It is a fact that security thinks it's truly a feather in their cap to catch a drunk pilot and don't kid yourself, they are watching closely every time you pass through security. The whole post was to reinforce the fact and drinking on lay overs is a thing of the past.
As they should. And anybody working at an airport. Or every passenger. Someone should not smell booze when showing up for a flight. Period.
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Re: could of been the whiskey-could of been the beer

Post by .80@410 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:54 am

corethatthermal wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:15 pm
security gets an erection if they think they can bust a pilot for drinking - a word to the wise!
Are you part of the old boys club, defending the pilots ?
So you have to be part of an old boys club to assume innocent until proven guilty ? Or defend someone who works in the same profession?

What an idiotic statement. ..
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Re: could of been the whiskey-could of been the beer

Post by albertdesalvo » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:03 am

Meatservo wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:56 am
Whenever this happens, lately it seems to happen in Glasgow. Why is that?
Time in a Scottish jail... a fate worse than death.

When I was a teenage hellraiser, all the cops in my hometown were Scots & Irish, and man, those guys were hard core. Not an ounce of mercy in 'em. I shudder at the thought of dealing with Scottish jail guards. Deterrence? You bet! 8)
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Post by corethatthermal » Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:34 pm

So you have to be part of an old boys club to assume innocent until proven guilty
Perhaps you didn't read where they failed a breathalyzer test?
Symptoms of being under the influence include glossy eyes, staggering, and alcohol smell and these are all subjective. A breath test is pretty objective. A court appearance 3 days later, with the lawyer arguing the device was defective etc etc is pretty subjective !
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Re: could of been the whiskey-could of been the beer

Post by W5 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:37 pm

0.02 in Glasgow for pilots
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Post by Warden » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:32 pm

W5 wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:37 pm
0.02 in Glasgow for pilots
Wow, that's pretty low.

Makes you think that even with giving 12hours you probably shouldn't have more than 2-3 drinks before hand and only over a few hours.
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Re: could of been the whiskey-could of been the beer

Post by corethatthermal » Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:53 pm

Maybe the airlines should get together in Glass cow and have their own breathalyzer ( non-punitive self test) so that ALL pilots can ascertain that there are no issues before even getting near security ! Aviation goes through a myriad of checks why not this one?
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Post by altiplano » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:09 pm

First of all, no doubt these guys are at fault for ending up in the situation, poor planning/restraint/judgement, whatever.

But, it's interesting that these guys blow well under the drink-drive limit and they'll probably do +/-1 year in prison, lose their license, and their career...

I'd say it's a stretch to call them "drunk" in many of the similar cases over recent years. At less then 1/2 the legal to drive limit in Scotland, which is already lower than the rest of the UK, the fly limit is extremely low... certainly negligible performance affect at those levels, lower than the affect of fatigue from full blocks of trans-atlantic flying out a shitty hotel sleep or an un-augnented crossing.

I don't excuse these crews' errors, but we see this so often out of the same stations - they are setting guys up without a real way to tell when the limit is so low. Maybe they should have a better awareness program of just how low the limit is.

Also there is no doubt that security in the UK appreciate bending you over however they can. That is not in dispute.
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Post by confusedalot » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:23 pm

Ah yessssss...........
Airplane drivers are perfect beings the likes of mother theresa who spend their off time feeding the poor and never, but never, make any sort of mistake........ever..........
Not even 0.02. Which is nothing. Not ideal, but still nothing.
But the minimum wage security guy sees an opportunity for a promotion.
Don't get me wrong, show up sober for work.
There are a whole lot of ugly hidden intentions running these kind of stories. Ensuring aviation safety is not one of them
I recommend zero alcohol 24 hours in advance. Then, these crazies have no case. Bummer, but the current world is what it is.
Non alcohol becks beer is actually not so bad. :lol:
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Re: could of been the whiskey-could of been the beer

Post by corethatthermal » Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:28 am

At less then 1/2 the legal to drive limit in Scotland, which is already lower than the rest of the UK, the fly limit is extremely low... certainly negligible performance affect at those levels, lower than the affect of fatigue from full blocks of trans-atlantic flying out a shitty hotel sleep or an un-augnented crossing.
And there is the elephant in the room !
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Re: could of been the whiskey-could of been the beer

Post by W5 » Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:10 pm

One of two United Airlines pilots arrested for allegedly failing a breath test ahead of a flight to the US has been released without charge.

The men, aged 45 and 61, were held at Glasgow Airport before boarding a flight to Newark, New Jersey, on Saturday.

Police Scotland confirmed the 45-year-old had been released after questioning.

The 61-year-old pilot is due to appear at Paisley Sheriff Court later.

The incident resulted in the United Airlines flight being cancelled.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-gl ... t-49247380
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Re: could of been the whiskey-could of been the beer

Post by Beefitarian » Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:59 am

So, the younger guy was merely detained for questioning being with the other guy who did not metabolize the wine he had with dinner the night before.

Then the media decides it can get more attention claiming they were both liquored up.

Hang 'em high. No solidarity for your fellow pilots. Just panic. :smt075
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Re: could of been the whiskey-could of been the beer

Post by bcflyer » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:33 am

corethatthermal wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:28 am
At less then 1/2 the legal to drive limit in Scotland, which is already lower than the rest of the UK, the fly limit is extremely low... certainly negligible performance affect at those levels, lower than the affect of fatigue from full blocks of trans-atlantic flying out a shitty hotel sleep or an un-augnented crossing.
And there is the elephant in the room !
Exactly!! From a study I found.


“Study shows that moderate sleep deprivation produces impairments equivalent to those of alcohol intoxication. After 17 to 19 hours without sleep, performance was equivalent or worse than that of a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) level of 0.05 percent.

Odd how the media never grabs a hold of these little tidbits. According to that, almost all pilots flying overseas are impaired to a level that is double the amount allowed in Glasgow....
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