Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

[trey kule]

I have to wonder how big the pool is of diploma/degree graduates who have and want to pay $126k for a job.

Some solid pre program research? Or just some board room high fiving what they see as a great plan.

[Captain Kirkk]

So is Jazz officially a pay to fly airline? Cause another shithole airline, Lion Air, is a P2F and they seem to go off the runway every month, among other things.

This’ll end well...

[GhostRider6]

So is Jazz officially a pay to fly airline? Cause another shithole airline, Lion Air, is a P2F and they seem to go off the runway every month, among other things.

This’ll end well...

I thought you were all for it ? Unless I’m missing sing something you were talking about how it’s a “ win - win” for the industry?

[flyer 1492]

This will be interesting to watch, Seneca can barely keep up with all the students they have.

[ant_321]

So is Jazz officially a pay to fly airline? Cause another shithole airline, Lion Air, is a P2F and they seem to go off the runway every month, among other things.

This’ll end well...

I thought you were all for it ? Unless I’m missing sing something you were talking about how it’s a “ win - win” for the industry?

I think you are mistaking Kirkk for Kirk. Haha

[GhostRider6]

So is Jazz officially a pay to fly airline? Cause another shithole airline, Lion Air, is a P2F and they seem to go off the runway every month, among other things.

This’ll end well...

Hahah! Sh$&&! Kirkk if you aren’t Captain Kirk I’m sincerely sorry ..


I thought you were all for it ? Unless I’m missing sing something you were talking about how it’s a “ win - win” for the industry?

I think you are mistaking Kirkk for Kirk. Haha

[Jean-Pierre]

I have to wonder how big the pool is of diploma/degree graduates who have and want to pay $126k for a job.

Some solid pre program research? Or just some board room high fiving what they see as a great plan.

I would say this program is targeting wealthy immigrant that come from India, China, or middle-east and already have a degree they get from Canada or their home country. They can pay the money and get the job without having to worry about navigating the Canadian aviation industry. They can take their experience at Jazz back to their home country, or to Air Canada with 90% acceptance rate.

[Rowdy]

I have to wonder how big the pool is of diploma/degree graduates who have and want to pay $126k for a job.

Some solid pre program research? Or just some board room high fiving what they see as a great plan.

I would say this program is targeting wealthy immigrant that come from India, China, or middle-east and already have a degree they get from Canada or their home country. They can pay the money and get the job without having to worry about navigating the Canadian aviation industry. They can take their experience at Jazz back to their home country, or to Air Canada with 90% acceptance rate.

Except they're handcuffed to Jazz for FIVE years! If they dont cut and run for an overseas gig..

I'm sure this will solidify the requirement for DEC.

[yhz41]

Embarrassing.

[trey kule]

There was a program a few years back to train career FOs. Anybody know how that is working, or worked out? IIRC it was called a multi crew license or something along those lines.

I am not entirely certain this has been well thought out. And why would they be chained to Jazz for five years?

[7ECA]

There was a program a few years back to train career FOs. Anybody know how that is working, or worked out? IIRC it was called a multi crew license or something along those lines.

The Multi-Crew Licence (permanent FO) was announced a number of years back by Transport Canada, for god only knows what reason - well, I can guess that it has something to do with integrated program schools... - I can't actually recall if even one has been issued though.

I saw an article a few days ago where it stated CAE is firing up a MCL program for Volotea (some Euro airline), to train permanent FOs.

Here it is: https://www.skiesmag.com/press-releases ... h-volotea/

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

Some of the college kids choose to stay at the northern operators. The first company to offer them a 100k a year. "Golden handcuffs" isn't it?

I guess this is a way for the candidate to pay for all the trainings and be handcuffed to Jazz...in the right seat. Sooner rather than later, DEC will come along to hire some northern captains and fly with the "jazz approach p2f kids"

A recipe for shock and awe in the flight deck.

[Johnny767]

A few short years ago PIlots were exploited by the General Aviation scumbags. Invest 100K in training and education and you too can be loading freight for Joe McBryan or dispatching for Ken Borek for a couple years. If you're a good little do-bee we'll get you checked out in the right seat.

Now Pilots might be stupid enough to get exploited by Seneca and Jazz, this time financially. Why on earth would anyone pay for a RJ Type Rating. Jazz may just as well put you on the Dash or the Q, even if they do put you on the RJ they will still be required to give you the full company course.

Ridiculous waste of money!

Think we see entitled little brats now, just wait for the Graduates of this program.

[ayseven]

It is just a little odd that the company is not ponying up the money for the people they will have on the hook for 5 years - like the military does, for example. If there was no 5 year catch, I would say it was a fair deal; with that little detail, less so... But hey downturns happen, and they are guaranteeing work for 5 years...

[trey kule]

If you believe that guaranteed job in a downturn, you might want to review seniority numbers, furloughs, and the options an employer has with regard to bonds.

The whole bond thing puzzles me. Jazz has nothing invested in hiring these pilots, so other than initial training costs to an already rated pilot, I cant see they could demand a penalty for quitting.

In any event, I expect this program was maybe ill conceived, and will quietly go the way of the MCPL.

[DanWEC]

Compared with doing a conventional CPL path, why would anyone do this instead of joining the RCAF instead??
While I look back very fondly on some the awesome jobs I've had in aviation, if I had it to do all over again I probably would have gone the military route.
This just sounds like a horrible time. Stuck doing SOP's in a 172 for the end goal of sitting in an RJ for 30k a year?

[ayseven]

Captain Kirk is right though this time. Who goes through anything and ending up with a job guarantee? One of my old flight instructors told me something that always stuck with me, while I was doing my first IFR rating: Nobody owes you a job. Look, Jazz and regionals in general, are not finding the people they like, obviously. There is NO pilot shortage, but a shortage of the type of person THEY want. So this is a way to control the type of people they get.

[ayseven]

Well, if you put it that way...

[Heliian]

There was a program a few years back to train career FOs. Anybody know how that is working, or worked out? IIRC it was called a multi crew license or something along those lines.

The Multi-Crew Licence (permanent FO) was announced a number of years back by Transport Canada, for god only knows what reason - well, I can guess that it has something to do with integrated program schools... - I can't actually recall if even one has been issued though.

I saw an article a few days ago where it stated CAE is firing up a MCL program for Volotea (some Euro airline), to train permanent FOs.

Here it is: https://www.skiesmag.com/press-releases ... h-volotea/

You can still be a captain, the licence is for those restricted by medical conditions mostly.

[jakeandelwood]

Only rich kids will sign up for this, which means Jazz is in it for the money and not quality of candidates. Definitely lost respect for Jazz. I don't know if I would give my kid $126k to get a $40k a year job, sounds like a pretty terrible offer.

You'd be better off sending your kid to trade school to be an Electrician.