Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by losercruiser » Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:38 pm

speedah wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:25 pm
Oh great.

Is he going to try to mentor people in the flight deck?

I thought the 10% would work!
Based on looking at the new hire bios from time to time and seeing some faces I hoped I'd never see again, the %10 certainly isn't working. In fact it's somehow working backwards as some of the best FOs I worked with there who are nice people and good pilots are being PFOd or told to reinterview.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by Oxi » Sat Dec 21, 2019 3:44 pm

losercruiser wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:38 pm
speedah wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:25 pm
Oh great.

Is he going to try to mentor people in the flight deck?

I thought the 10% would work!
Based on looking at the new hire bios from time to time and seeing some faces I hoped I'd never see again, the %10 certainly isn't working. In fact it's somehow working backwards as some of the best FOs I worked with there who are nice people and good pilots are being PFOd or told to reinterview.
This has been happening since the PML and now some of these folks are going through ITC at AC
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by losercruiser » Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:29 pm

Just goes to show you how arbitrary the selection process is. There's a number who shouldn't be here but one individual in specific, I am absolutely shocked was hired. Based on their Jazz training record it should have been an auto PFO.

Either they lied in their interview, or multiple failed rides and upgrades don't actually matter. But I guess it helps when you fill a "type."
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by PostmasterGeneral » Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:00 am

losercruiser wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:29 pm
Just goes to show you how arbitrary the selection process is. There's a number who shouldn't be here but one individual in specific, I am absolutely shocked was hired. Based on their Jazz training record it should have been an auto PFO.

Either they lied in their interview, or multiple failed rides and upgrades don't actually matter. But I guess it helps when you fill a "type."
I doubt she will make it through training... Hopefully...
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by TSAM » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:15 am

AC HR should read the Atlas crash investigation and other accidents related to poor flightdeck performance and training records. But we know they won't and will be at a loss for why it happened to them.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by daedalusx » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:51 am

PostmasterGeneral wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:00 am
losercruiser wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:29 pm
Just goes to show you how arbitrary the selection process is. There's a number who shouldn't be here but one individual in specific, I am absolutely shocked was hired. Based on their Jazz training record it should have been an auto PFO.

Either they lied in their interview, or multiple failed rides and upgrades don't actually matter. But I guess it helps when you fill a "type."
I doubt she will make it through training... Hopefully...
Or she’ll get paired with a strong pilot who’ll carry her ass through the initial, maybe with only 1-2 extra sessions and a strong worded debrief and then Indoc capts will carry her ass and then after a failed LC, get more Indoc and someone will pass her with ‘a strong debrief’ and then every capt will have to carry her ass around for god knows how long until rinse and repeat for the upgrade course. And of course, during the whole process, it’ll be everyone’s fault but her.
It’s so tiresome...
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by losercruiser » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:42 pm

All the while dozens of friends who are superior aviators in every way are still sitting at Jazz, Encore and SW just hoping and waiting for an interview. Don't remind me. I swear if I ever have to fly with her again I'm going to lose my mind.

Or just book off.

I don't know how they manage to do it, but Jazz is really good at getting rid of their black sheep. They did it in PML 1.0 and they're doing it again now. AC HR needs to be more vigilant and save that %10 for people like this. And stop looking past big red flags just because they fit into the diversity hire catagory.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by losercruiser » Sun Dec 22, 2019 3:07 pm

Speedah can't pm you.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by PostmasterGeneral » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:34 pm

daedalusx wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:51 am
PostmasterGeneral wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:00 am
losercruiser wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:29 pm
Just goes to show you how arbitrary the selection process is. There's a number who shouldn't be here but one individual in specific, I am absolutely shocked was hired. Based on their Jazz training record it should have been an auto PFO.

Either they lied in their interview, or multiple failed rides and upgrades don't actually matter. But I guess it helps when you fill a "type."
I doubt she will make it through training... Hopefully...
Or she’ll get paired with a strong pilot who’ll carry her ass through the initial, maybe with only 1-2 extra sessions and a strong worded debrief and then Indoc capts will carry her ass and then after a failed LC, get more Indoc and someone will pass her with ‘a strong debrief’ and then every capt will have to carry her ass around for god knows how long until rinse and repeat for the upgrade course. And of course, during the whole process, it’ll be everyone’s fault but her.
It’s so tiresome...
She’s done that for every single ride she’s ever had either at Jazz or PAL... it’s never her fault, there’s always something else to blame. 5000+ hours of practice in passing the buck (allegedly) will get you that.

I will say that I have high hopes that the AC training will be fair and wash her out if she doesn’t make the cut, there’s been candidates much stronger than her let go in the last year for being unable to complete training.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by losercruiser » Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:24 pm

Good.

It will open up a seat for someone that deserves it.

I can't believe she has 5000 hours. Goes to show an ATPL and hours in the logbook mean nothing.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by CB40 » Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:10 pm

Hello guys,

Reading the conversation about this program was very enlightening. I think both sides have very valid points. I have to admit that the scheme does look tempting, albeit a bit pricey.

I was just wondering if anyone was already hired through this program and what to expect.

Thanks in advance!
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by FenderManDan » Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:18 pm

PostmasterGeneral wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:00 am
losercruiser wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:29 pm
Just goes to show you how arbitrary the selection process is. There's a number who shouldn't be here but one individual in specific, I am absolutely shocked was hired. Based on their Jazz training record it should have been an auto PFO.

Either they lied in their interview, or multiple failed rides and upgrades don't actually matter. But I guess it helps when you fill a "type."
I doubt she will make it through training... Hopefully...
If that individual fails, what then. Can she reaply? She could be feeding some people at home. Who knows.
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Re: Jazz to launch pay for type rating program

Post by RRJetPilot » Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:13 pm

Keeping the operation safe should be more important than diversity or if the individual needs to feed people at home. From what I’m seeing this individual has already had MANY additional sim sessions, a change in sim partners, and no end of training in sight.
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