Leaving with a bond?

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Re: Leaving with a bond?

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shimmydampner wrote: Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:52 pm What a delightfully simplistic viewpoint.
But maybe the boss is wealthy from other business endeavours and the air operation isn't quite as profitable. Or maybe the house is long since paid for from days gone by when the business was more profitable. Perhaps it used to be a real going concern but as of late it's been harder to find talented, experienced pilots due to the changes in the industry. As a result, maybe some inexperienced kid was a little less graceful than the previous pilots and it cost the owner his biggest client. That's a tough hit to the bottom line. Or maybe that kid cooked an engine or dinged a prop. Big expense. Plus insurance keeps going up a experience levels go down.
Or maybe you're right and the boss is taking all the money and spending it as is his right to do as the owner. One day when you're the boss, that'll be your prerogative as well. Such perceived injustices will make more sense when you realize that businesses that are not your own do not exist to make your career or your retirement.
And those same businesses don't own their employees.
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GRK2 wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:20 pm It's all well and good to talk about the company who gets left holding the bag when someone leaves after a training and how shitty it might be. How about the other side of the story? What if a pilot signed on for a specific set of advertised working conditions? After training it changed and the job description was altered to the point that it no longer represents what was described at the beginning? Can a pilot leave and challenge not paying the remainder of the bond? After all he or she took the job as described or advertised and if they had known it was not going to be anything close to those conditions, wouldn't have taken the job. If the company misrepresented the position and misled the new pilot, would that be grounds to walk and challenge a bond? Anyone out there with that experience?
Absolutely. Make sure your bond (or your contract) spells out the conditions and expectations of the job. If it's in writing, when it changes, you can go back to the contract. Caution: Sometimes changes are made that you *don't* object to. Make sure your contract is updated when that happens. If not, you set a precedent that changes can be made that don't appear in the contract, and when they make a change you don't like you'll have a harder time using it as a defense because you already accepted changes that weren't written in.
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Whatever you do, DO NOT pay back with interest...once the actual amount is paid back tell them to pound sand bill is paid.

Interest is a Carson Air trick...enough said!
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The SAME government that thinks hard working small business owners are nothing more than parasitic TAX CHEATS, does nothing when foreign funded, "professional" WHITE protestors shut down our entire rail network.

Courtesy of our Trudeau government.

Well done. Everyone is happy to let this go on, because it's dirty fossil fuels, you know.

I hope these protesters ramp it up and block union station. Or better yet, Pearson airport. See how far this will go. Why not. If you get laid off, you got what you deserve.

The international community must be laughing their asses off.

Well done Trudeau groupies!
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I worked for a Company that shut down and they tried to get employees with bonds to pay the outstanding balances they each owed, employees that had no intention of leaving.
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rookiepilot wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:40 pm The SAME government that thinks hard working small business owners are nothing more than parasitic TAX CHEATS, does nothing when foreign funded, "professional" WHITE protestors shut down our entire rail network.

Courtesy of our Trudeau government.

Well done. Everyone is happy to let this go on, because it's dirty fossil fuels, you know.

I hope these protesters ramp it up and block union station. Or better yet, Pearson airport. See how far this will go. Why not. If you get laid off, you got what you deserve.

The international community must be laughing their asses off.

Well done Trudeau groupies!
Well, THAT didn't take very long...what does any of your rant have to do with a bond issue? And why is it the governments fault? Keep your obvious attempt at sh*t stirring political slants out of a bonafide thread for pilots on an AVIATION website. :roll:
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Re: Leaving with a bond?

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Ahaa! The undying dilemna...
  • To be, or not to be: that is the question.
    Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
    The slings and insults of outrageous fortune,
    Or to take up up arms against a sea of troubles,
    And by opposing - end them.
    ...
    ...what dreams may come
    When we have shuffled off this mortal coil
I wonder if Hamlet had the foresight to see how relevant this dilemna would be in 2020 compared with the one he faced in 1599. Of course it may have to be interpreted a little differently:
  • To go, or not to go. OMG decisions, decisions;
    Am I a pilot who can make a decision?
    The morality and ethic of leaving early
    Compared with the corollary lawsuits and bad-mouthing
    To hire a lawyer to defend my position, or afford to pay the residual,
    And the chances of winning; or at least paying an agreeable settlement.
    ...
    Is this a pipe-dream?
    To unload this weighty financial burden - just to get a number.
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