Rockie wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 7:22 am
Irony, right? I'll make this my last post on the subject and get back to my knitting, and leave you guys to plot the course out of this pandemic.
Good plan.
...much worse according to, you know...infectious disease experts. Watch what happens in the next 8 months. In Brazil a Trump mini-me is ignoring the virus altogether - watch that disaster unfold in real time too.
Two items:
1). Not all infectious disease experts are in agreement here.
2). This situation has implications far outside the realm of medicine. The solution from a purely medical standpoint is for everyone to shelter in place until a vaccine is found. The solution from an economic standpoint is to ignore the virus and keep the economy going. Both solutions have serious consequences in the other problem space; hide at home and our kids and grand kids starve to death or wind up in a third world country working for Chinese overlords. Ignore the virus and a quite a few people die. The upshot is that any practical solution is going to piss off purists in both camps. Trump is electing to take casualties in order to preserve the economy. Trudeau is electing to sacrifice the economic future to save some lives. Neither one is right or wrong; they’ve just chosen where to direct the suffering.
I’m curious to see how Singapore made out. They kept the economy going but implemented targeted measures.
One last thought, there are epidemiologists who are saying herd immunity is the way to go. They just don’t get air time in Canada because their scientific position does not align with the policies of the current ruling party.
Just an interesting observation.
China has 17% of the world population yet only 1.7 % of reported infections.
So, how the f%^k did they manage to only have 1/10 of everyone else in a country that has massive cities with major population densities.
Some things are definitely not adding up.
I think world leaders are now starting to realize they f%&ked this up and will be doing anything now to recover economies.
Ok fair comment. However enlighten us on what “Scheer Nonsense, The Toole , Chopper MacKay” would do better if either was the sitting PM.
Honestly .. I'm not in favour of anyone currently running. I think the truly intelligent people steer clear of the political life which is why we are left with no good options in my opinion. If I could hit the rewind button we'd go back to the Harper days .. I realize all the names you mentioned were his MP's .. but he could lead and he was intelligent. (I'd vote for John Baird if he ran)
My neighbor just lost her mother to the virus, you would have a hard time convincing her and the millions of others around the world that governments overreacted.
A family friend passed on during this pandemic and his death was labeled as "Covid-19" even though he'd been inching his way out the door for months before this virus even hit, and he didn't even test positive, pneumonia was enough to call it Covid-19? It left us all scratching our heads. I feel sorry for your neighbours mother, just like I feel sorry for all the others that have lost the battle with this virus. Please don't confuse me for a heartless bastard, the point I'm making is that we didn't need to shutdown the world. Isolate the vulnerable and keep the world turning. Sweden kept the open sign on and their numbers are no different than any other country that closed.
It doesn't matter now anyways .. what's done is done and we'll live with the consequences of those decisions.
Hey man(no gender bias implied because I don’t know your real name). On the politics side, Harper you say,again fair commentary and more important, your political view. Not mine though because I am trying to find a particular legacy Harper can sign on as compared to other long term PMs of note PET, BM, JC even going back to John Dief, Lester Boles Pearson( my all time best PM) .I even remember him as I was around then. Bear with me cause I was a political science major in university and had a flair for political argument - still do .
On the COVID-19 debate, I personally note a slight fanaticism amongst the health care sector as of late which I was hoping to see pragmatism, perhaps I am seeing it as an off side view. At some point the economy is going to have to get back to work, I think we are near that point now. Cheers mate.
3down&loct wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 4:48 pm
Just an interesting observation.
China has 17% of the world population yet only 1.7 % of reported infections.
So, how the f%^k did they manage to only have 1/10 of everyone else in a country that has massive cities with major population densities.
Some things are definitely not adding up.
I think world leaders are now starting to realize they f%&ked this up and will be doing anything now to recover economies.
Because they’re smart enough not to let their own weapon destroy them.
3down&loct wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 4:48 pm
Just an interesting observation.
China has 17% of the world population yet only 1.7 % of reported infections.
So, how the f%^k did they manage to only have 1/10 of everyone else in a country that has massive cities with major population densities.
Some things are definitely not adding up.
I think world leaders are now starting to realize they f%&ked this up and will be doing anything now to recover economies.
They also reported zero deaths in Tiananmen square in 1989.
3down&loct wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 4:48 pm
Just an interesting observation.
China has 17% of the world population yet only 1.7 % of reported infections.
So, how the f%^k did they manage to only have 1/10 of everyone else in a country that has massive cities with major population densities.
Some things are definitely not adding up.
I think world leaders are now starting to realize they f%&ked this up and will be doing anything now to recover economies.
Nobody believes the numbers coming out of China - they have lied and covered up the seriousness of COVID-19 from the beginning.
Same with the WHO.
Both need to be held to account imho.
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It is a terrible disease badly handled from the beginning, but we went with information available at the time. Once the vaccine comes, the deniers can go back under their rocks. I just happen to be somebody that is not comfortable killing people unnecessarily, even old coots - and young ones - I disagree with half the time.
Ayseven,
Quit with the emotional appeals to justify your position on the quarantine. You may have already “killed people unnecessarily “.Bacteria live everywhere. Clothes, hair, hands, etc. At one time, you may have passsed bacteria to an elderly person that morphed into the flu, Norwalk, a cold and then pneumonia. People have been dying of this since people have existed. Bacteria is everywhere. We all carry some, and we all pass to others. Stop with the emotional rhetoric, of “killing unnecessarily “ and the PM’s favourite “ Saving lives”. We are NOT saving lives, we are only delaying the inevitable.
This will be an opportunity for smaller airlines to grow and fill the void as the middle class repairs the economy in the following years. Sched companies like Flair will grow and provide low cost option to get travelers and businessman and women moving again. It will dilut the cost of airline tickets.
This is probably a waste of electrons in this forum, but here goes.
A medically-informed response to the virus is the only long term solution, but when implementing it creates economic chaos that’s worse than the virus, the answer is not to condemn some people to die from a preventable illness so that others don’t die of the manufactured poverty that we celebrate as “capitalism”. You must change that economic system into one that rewards work, not wealth.
This will be an opportunity for smaller airlines to grow and fill the void as the middle class repairs the economy in the following years. Sched companies like Flair will grow and provide low cost option to get travelers and businessman and women moving again. It will dilut the cost of airline tickets.
And they will join the ranks of Zoom, Jetsgo, Canada3000 ... this list goes on. If you want to pay $69 to go Vancouver - Toronto .. buy a ticket on Greyhound, 30 million people can't support multiple airlines.
If you want to support competition in the airline market .. write your MP and tell them to stop taxing the airline industry as though its a luxury and treat it like the economic driver that it is.
Capt. Underpants wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:08 pm
This is probably a waste of electrons in this forum, but here goes.
A medically-informed response to the virus is the only long term solution, but when implementing it creates economic chaos that’s worse than the virus, the answer is not to condemn some people to die from a preventable illness so that others don’t die of the manufactured poverty that we celebrate as “capitalism”. You must change that economic system into one that rewards work, not wealth.
This is how Canadians think ? This is very scary .
Capt. Underpants wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 12:08 pm
This is probably a waste of electrons in this forum, but here goes.
A medically-informed response to the virus is the only long term solution, but when implementing it creates economic chaos that’s worse than the virus, the answer is not to condemn some people to die from a preventable illness so that others don’t die of the manufactured poverty that we celebrate as “capitalism”. You must change that economic system into one that rewards work, not wealth.
This is how Canadians think ? This is very scary .
Wtf is scary about that? I'm not someone who hates rich people but I hate rent seeking. I swear 1/3 businesses in Ontario are just middle men who don't actually do anything.
gtappl wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 10:27 pm
I'm not someone who hates rich people but I hate rent seeking. I swear 1/3 businesses in Ontario are just middle men who don't actually do anything.
Patience, Grasshopper.
The fact that you don't understand what we do doesn't mean nothing is being done.
altiplano wrote: ↑Tue May 19, 2020 6:56 am
Making money is doing something.
Sure, the question is if people still want to pay for that "something" when they need to save money.
Will companies that need to make budget cuts really need social media managers?
Will companies be paying expensive interior designers for some "mood books" and "concept drawings" or will they go straight to the contractor and explain what they want?
Will companies deal with realtors and pay them 5%, or get an otherwise laid off employee to show company property they are selling off?
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3down&loct wrote: ↑Sun May 17, 2020 4:48 pm
Just an interesting observation.
China has 17% of the world population yet only 1.7 % of reported infections.
So, how the f%^k did they manage to only have 1/10 of everyone else in a country that has massive cities with major population densities.
Some things are definitely not adding up.
I think world leaders are now starting to realize they f%&ked this up and will be doing anything now to recover economies.
You can start by asking where did the 21 million cell phone users in that country go? 21 million cell numbers just dropped off the grid.
The 21 million cell phone thing means nothing to anyone other than the people who form their political opinions on Facebook and have an unusually large tin foil budget.
Exactly.
People who say “Don’t believe anything out of China” actually have not a single reason to say/think that.
Like WTF do you actually know?
What? Because CTV news and your colleagues on lunch break say that? Or is it because we’re in Canada and our media is not biased/corrupt?
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