17.5 Million Dollar Man....BBD

[ayseven]

How on earth can you compare a guy making obscene money for ruining a perfectly good company, that WE (you and I) propped up for all these years, with the average schmoe on a government scheme? It sounds like typical bottom-feeder mentality at work. Guys at the top, who make that filthy amount this Bombardier guy has been making, just laugh at the rest of us. C'mon!

[complexintentions]

How on earth can you compare a guy making obscene money for ruining a perfectly good company, that WE (you and I) propped up for all these years, with the average schmoe on a government scheme? It sounds like typical bottom-feeder mentality at work. Guys at the top, who make that filthy amount this Bombardier guy has been making, just laugh at the rest of us. C'mon!

I asked but not answered: why is taking as much as one can get away with wrong when it's $17 million and just fine when it's $2,000?

Set aside those who don't need it, but are entitled and claim it, for the moment. Then there's the deliberate fraud: StatsCan estimates nearly 3 million fraudulent CERB claims. That's $4 billion dollars (conservative 2 million claims x $2,000) a month. But it's ok because the individual amounts are going to "average schmoes"? Agree to disagree. And this is only one program.

Fraud and error under CERB may be even worse than we thought

I think it does suck that a terrible performance by a CEO is rewarded with a big payout. But perhaps "average schmoes" shouldn't be throwing stones, hmmm?

A follow-up question: what is the magic number at which a sum of money becomes "obscene" or "filthy"? I guess it's somewhere between 2,000 and 17,000,000? Or is it as I suspect, "any amount more than I get"?

And if you think 17 mil is bad, I guess it's not great that the national debt is on track to hit a trillion...

[rookiepilot]

A follow-up question: what is the magic number at which a sum of money becomes "obscene" or "filthy"? I guess it's somewhere between 2,000 and 17,000,000? Or is it as I suspect, "any amount more than I get"?

And if you think 17 mil is bad, I guess it's not great that the national debt is on track to hit a trillion...

How about zero?

That's what I've gotten, as a small business person.

To our current government, "small business are nothing more that tax cheats" -- I'm quoting our current finance minister and that has been his position all along.
So where's my million bucks?

But the CEO of BBD wrecked a world class company and gets 17 million.

Our governments say he's "deserving" of this money. Because he's in Quebec,I suppose.

Quebec company -- "they deserve it".
Alberta company --- F --- off.

You don't have a problem Complex with governments favouring different groups to buy elections?

We are no better than any third world dictatorship. No better.

That's what's offensive.

[ayseven]

The difference, since we are not letting it go, between $2000 and 17 + million, is that the guy getting the 17 was a handpicked crony of somebody, and the guy getting $2000 was pretty much given the same shot as the next person. THAT is the difference. The guy is a greedy pig. Nothing else. How about a bit of decency for the workers that had to be let go, nevermind me and you, the taxpayer? I support Canadian business whenever possible, and I was proud of Bombardier; and I did not (happily might be too strong a word) put money in expecting them to give away a whole division for nothing, or this.

Small businesses are ripped off every bloody step of the way, but if you are big enough, well, that is another story. I do not use the term ripped off lightly. They are little fish, and the government use pit lamping and fish finders to nail them for as much as they can. That being said, all it does is raise blood pressure thinking about those fat cats like the Bombardier guy, and we only live once.

[OldTracker]

And as far as I’m concerned, I’m not getting money from the government: They’re just returning MY money that I’ve contributed.
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I wonder.
I thought your Gov't old age cheques at age 60 and 65 covered getting what you paid into the Gov't. Not this kind of payment. It has to come from somewhere this CERB etc.

[fishface]

Ok, aaaand?
Some dead guy is paying me right now. When I’m dead I’ll be financing Joe Blow who lost his job because of the economic fallout of World War V.
Just paying it forward. Either way, I’m getting my moneys worth.

[redbaron]

To our current government, "small business are nothing more that tax cheats" -- I'm quoting our current finance minister and that has been his position all along.

Got a source for that?

[kevenv]

To our current government, "small business are nothing more that tax cheats" -- I'm quoting our current finance minister and that has been his position all along.

Got a source for that?

I too would like to see a source for that. I can't find anywhere in a speech or statement that Morneau said those words. The Financial Post did a story on whether Trudeau unfairly smeared small business owners as tax cheats;

https://business.financialpost.com/mana ... ax-dodgers

As well I can find other people's statements like this; "Mr. Kelly said small business owners remain upset with the changes, as well as the perception at the time that Mr. Morneau painted small business owners as tax cheats." (bold added by me)

As everything any politician says is a matter of public record these day, I would welcome seeing a factual reference to a speech or interview where Morneau actually said the words "small business are nothing more that tax cheats".

[iflyforpie]

I’ll run a company into the ground with public dollars for half that amount.

[mmm..bacon]

^ I see that your price has gone up, Pie..it used to be $500.

[shimmydampner]

I asked but not answered: why is taking as much as one can get away with wrong when it's $17 million and just fine when it's $2,000?

A follow-up question: what is the magic number at which a sum of money becomes "obscene" or "filthy"? I guess it's somewhere between 2,000 and 17,000,000? Or is it as I suspect, "any amount more than I get"?

You know what, you're absolutely right. The world is only black and white. There are no shades of grey. Scale is meaningless. There is no difference between the people in this world who struggle financially and the already unimaginably wealthy CEOs who are further rewarded handsomely for reaching the apex of their own personal Peter principle. Whether an incompetent yet carefree Alain Bellemare enjoying the summer on a boat or at a summer house somewhere exclusive, or an unemployed waitress worried about what the next month will bring for you financially, clearly in a mind of complex intentions both are equally heroic or human scum.

[Inverted2]

Maybe they will name it Bumbardier from now on since they're still bumming money off the Canadian taxpayer.