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This is very interesting. Has been showing up on various news feeds.

https://summit.news/2020/11/18/top-path ... Cx6_Okanrc
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JohnnyHotRocks wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:45 pm This is very interesting. Has been showing up on various news feeds.

https://summit.news/2020/11/18/top-path ... Cx6_Okanrc
Well if we just stopped testing for covid all together and told people they had the flu... who would know any different. And when Toronto public health openly admits every death with covid is a death by covid...:lol:

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montado wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:01 pm
JohnnyHotRocks wrote: Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:45 pm This is very interesting. Has been showing up on various news feeds.

https://summit.news/2020/11/18/top-path ... Cx6_Okanrc
Well if we just stopped testing for covid all together and told people they had the flu... who would know any different.
The healthcare workers where the icu’s were overflowing, they know the difference.

We should should put the Alberta doc and Fauci in the ring together and settle this once and for all!
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After reading this thread all I can say is WOW. Just WOW. I can’t believe how many pilot are out there in Qanon conspiracy theory tin hat land. I think this sign from a business says it all.
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av8ts wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:26 am I can’t believe how many pilot are out there in Qanon conspiracy theory tin hat land.
It’s quite the spectacle, isn’t it?
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If we had to say who was more radical, Dr. Roger, who basically calls this a bad flu. And then the people who thought it was worth turning the world upside down over this virus. I'm pretty certain Roger is the least radical, even though I don't agree completely with what he says.

I think its radical they are handing out fines to protestors outdoors who are protesting lockdowns, yet Trudeau was out with BLM protestors doing the very same thing for a different cause that he deemed worth it. The rules only apply to who we choose! That's radical and fascist.

Parts of Toronto are now saying mandatory masks outside! Someone please show me the science behind this one! And if the science is right, why haven’t we had mandatory masks outside since March? If the science is right, why is it not being universally adapted throughout the entire city? Is this the usual “everything helps” argument? Maybe if I do a cartwheel the air around my face will wizz the virus away, so we should all do cartwheels because it might work, and why would anyone question something that might work? Even if it’s not that effective, science shows that people who cartwheel are less likely to die from a virus! (Maybe it’s because people who cartwheel are generally not obese and old, but heck... let’s just state the scientific fact that people who can complete a successful cartwheel are less likely to die from a virus and leave it at that).

Some would say it’s rational to do whatever it takes to stop the spread. I call that hysteria and fear. Could you imagine someone who’s a pilot and is so logical, would be against an sop like do cartwheels to prevent the spread! Ridiculous eh! We should just do whatever DOFO and TUDO say.... science.

Just remember in some parts of the world the captain is the main man so much so an FO would never question the captain even if he was going to fly the plane into the mountains. I don’t see it as we are pilots so I’m surprised people don’t just comply with the leaders. I see it as if DOFO was flying into a mountain would mixturerich even notice? Would rookiepilot use the old pace model?
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Cartwheels, yup, you made my point. Thank you.
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Do not question the authorities or the media. To do so makes you part of the tin hat club 🙄
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JohnnyHotRocks wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:23 am Do not question the authorities or the media. To do so makes you part of the tin hat club 🙄
No, but questioning the best available evidence definitely does make you a part of the tin hat club, unless, perhaps, you are a virologist.

And it isn't necessary to shut down the economy to protect against covid. We've had proof of that here in BC, right up until yesterday. Now we're in almost a full-fledged lockdown, seemingly because people just can't contain their urges to have massive parties and socialise indoors. So if you want to blame anyone for the effects on our economy...
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av8ts wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:26 am After reading this thread all I can say is WOW. Just WOW. I can’t believe how many pilot are out there in Qanon conspiracy theory tin hat land. I think this sign from a business says it all.
It does.

And please don't be a real loser who abuses minimum wage Tim's workers. Too much of this.
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This should be easier for pilots to understand. We are all familiar with the Swiss cheese model.
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montado wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:32 am If we had to say who was more radical, Dr. Roger, who basically calls this a bad flu. And then the people who thought it was worth turning the world upside down over this virus. I'm pretty certain Roger is the least radical, even though I don't agree completely with what he says.

I think its radical they are handing out fines to protestors outdoors who are protesting lockdowns, yet Trudeau was out with BLM protestors doing the very same thing for a different cause that he deemed worth it. The rules only apply to who we choose! That's radical and fascist.

Parts of Toronto are now saying mandatory masks outside! Someone please show me the science behind this one! And if the science is right, why haven’t we had mandatory masks outside since March? If the science is right, why is it not being universally adapted throughout the entire city? Is this the usual “everything helps” argument? Maybe if I do a cartwheel the air around my face will wizz the virus away, so we should all do cartwheels because it might work, and why would anyone question something that might work? Even if it’s not that effective, science shows that people who cartwheel are less likely to die from a virus! (Maybe it’s because people who cartwheel are generally not obese and old, but heck... let’s just state the scientific fact that people who can complete a successful cartwheel are less likely to die from a virus and leave it at that).

Some would say it’s rational to do whatever it takes to stop the spread. I call that hysteria and fear. Could you imagine someone who’s a pilot and is so logical, would be against an sop like do cartwheels to prevent the spread! Ridiculous eh! We should just do whatever DOFO and TUDO say.... science.

Just remember in some parts of the world the captain is the main man so much so an FO would never question the captain even if he was going to fly the plane into the mountains. I don’t see it as we are pilots so I’m surprised people don’t just comply with the leaders. I see it as if DOFO was flying into a mountain would mixturerich even notice? Would rookiepilot use the old pace model?
Honestly, I thought you like to use logic, can’t see the benefit of mandating a mask outdoors when the messaging has been and continues to be avoid large indoor gatherings. The people who gather outdoors seem to think that is some kind of force field and don’t bother to distance at all. Have you seen these idiot protesters, side by side, arm and arm spreading their virus.
For what it’s worth and it is important, Steinbach test positivity is over 40%, the hospitals are hitting critical numbers, yep it’s a fucking hoax!
Well, I’m off to practice my cartwheels, you never know when you might need them!
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Mbav8r I didn't realize all these cases in Manitoba were from those people protesting outside! Well shit why didn't they release this science to the world! Why was Trudeau out protesting setting a bad example for us?

So you support masks outdoors policy? Is this because of science? Last I heard being outside is very low risk, but let me guess the science has changed again!
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Scientists must get the same twitch when they see people writing and talking "because of science" as that pilots get when the media report about airline incidents and write "the pilot".
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montado wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:17 pm Mbav8r I didn't realize all these cases in Manitoba were from those people protesting outside! Well shit why didn't they release this science to the world! Why was Trudeau out protesting setting a bad example for us?

So you support masks outdoors policy? Is this because of science? Last I heard being outside is very low risk, but let me guess the science has changed again!
I guess you missed the point, outdoors is “safer” if you keep your distance, otherwise there are many variables, like wind, activity etc.
Steinbach is a small city that for the most part has low compliance and a big “communal living” population, the 40% positivity is no coincidence, it’s a direct result of their behaviour, protesting included.
Guess what though, it really doesn’t matter what you or I think, and with public health orders to enforce, the idiot will get the message through their wallets.
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digits_ wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:01 pm Scientists must get the same twitch when they see people writing and talking "because of science" as that pilots get when the media report about airline incidents and write "the pilot".
And so, like scientists, we simply ask that people trust us, and let us do our jobs.

Reading some of this forum often reminds me of tired deadheading, when you’re sitting within earshot of some loud and chatty, but clueless layman passengers. You know the ones...so confident are they in their knowledge and assessment of what’s going on, and you can’t help but bite your tongue to explain how things really work, given that it’s your profession, and morally responsible one at that.
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mixturerich wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:32 pm
digits_ wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:01 pm Scientists must get the same twitch when they see people writing and talking "because of science" as that pilots get when the media report about airline incidents and write "the pilot".
And so, like scientists, we simply ask that people trust us, and let us do our jobs.

Reading some of this forum often reminds me of tired deadheading, when you’re sitting within earshot of some loud and chatty, but clueless layman passengers. You know the ones...so confident are they in their knowledge and assessment of what’s going on, and you can’t help but bite your tongue to explain how things really work, given that it’s your profession, and morally responsible one at that.
All these aviation analogies I love it. So I got one for you. Imagine there’s the pilot captain (politician)... The flight attendant (public health) calls up says we have a medical emergency we need to land. She tells the captain where we should go. She doesn't know where they are, only somewhere between A and B... Has no idea the weather, the fuel on board, has no idea the hospital capability where she's asking to go. Basically asking the captain to trust her decision as she claims to know that she knows best how to deal with the medical emergency as she was trained in first aid, and the pilots aren't. So she decides she should run the show.

Meanwhile the first officer (a business owner) is yanking you in the other direction saying that you can't just listen to the flight attendants and pleads that you have a flight o lead and theres more than just this medical emergency to deal with. He says you really need to consider the weather (how the economy is being impacted) with you decisions where you may divert. Then there's this kid on the flight (avcanada poster) who can see what happening in the cabin and kind of just trusts whatever the flight attendants say, obviously you should just listen to the experts. The captain has the final say and I would do whatever the captain tell me to do. He consulted with the flight attendant... And clearly saving this one life on board is worth it. You don't even need to consider the safe operation of the flight at this point you just need to make sure this one passenger doesn't die... Do what the flight attendant says! She knows best. Anyone who thinks this is wrong is a Karen, a Trump supporter, Q...

Who's running the country right now? The captain or the flight attendant? Yes that's right, the flight attendant has this captain wrapped around her finger.

I didn't know it was doctors and scientist jobs to make economic and political decisions.

Edit, changed up my analogy from kid on the ground to kid on the plane. Way more realistic! Lol
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montado wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:02 pm
mixturerich wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:32 pm
digits_ wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:01 pm Scientists must get the same twitch when they see people writing and talking "because of science" as that pilots get when the media report about airline incidents and write "the pilot".
And so, like scientists, we simply ask that people trust us, and let us do our jobs.

Reading some of this forum often reminds me of tired deadheading, when you’re sitting within earshot of some loud and chatty, but clueless layman passengers. You know the ones...so confident are they in their knowledge and assessment of what’s going on, and you can’t help but bite your tongue to explain how things really work, given that it’s your profession, and morally responsible one at that.
All these aviation analogies I love it. So I got one for you. Imagine you are the pilot (politician)... The flight attendant (public health) calls up says we have a medical emergency we need to land. She tells you where we should go. She doesn't know where you are, only somewhere between A and B... Has no idea the weather, the fuel on board, has no idea the hospital capability where she's asking you to go. Basically asking you to trust her decision as she claims to know that she knows best how to deal with the medical emergency as she was trained in first aid, and you the pilot aren't. So she decides she should run the show.

Meanwhile the first officer (a business owner) is yanking you in the other direction saying that you can't just listen to the flight attendants and pleads that you have a flight o lead and theres more than just this medical emergency to deal with. He says you really need to consider the weather (how the economy is being impacted) with you decisions where you may divert. Then there's this kid pointing up at the sky watching this plane fly (avcanada poster) who says that first officer is so dumb, obviously you should just listen to the experts, the captain. The captain has the final say and I would do whatever the captain tell me to do. He consulted with the flight attendant... And clearly saving this one life on board is worth it. You don't even need to consider the safe operation of the flight at this point you just need to make sure this one passenger doesn't die... Do what the flight attendant says! She knows best. Anyone who thinks this is wrong is a Karen, a Trump supporter, Q...

Who's running the country right now? The captain or the flight attendant? Yes that's right, the flight attendant has this captain wrapped around her finger.

I didn't know it was doctors and scientist jobs to make economic and political decisions.
Holy @#$!!
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montado wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:02 pm
mixturerich wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:32 pm
digits_ wrote: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:01 pm Scientists must get the same twitch when they see people writing and talking "because of science" as that pilots get when the media report about airline incidents and write "the pilot".
And so, like scientists, we simply ask that people trust us, and let us do our jobs.

Reading some of this forum often reminds me of tired deadheading, when you’re sitting within earshot of some loud and chatty, but clueless layman passengers. You know the ones...so confident are they in their knowledge and assessment of what’s going on, and you can’t help but bite your tongue to explain how things really work, given that it’s your profession, and morally responsible one at that.
All these aviation analogies I love it. So I got one for you. Imagine there’s the pilot captain (politician)... The flight attendant (public health) calls up says we have a medical emergency we need to land. She tells the captain where we should go. She doesn't know where they are, only somewhere between A and B... Has no idea the weather, the fuel on board, has no idea the hospital capability where she's asking to go. Basically asking the captain to trust her decision as she claims to know that she knows best how to deal with the medical emergency as she was trained in first aid, and the pilots aren't. So she decides she should run the show.

Meanwhile the first officer (a business owner) is yanking you in the other direction saying that you can't just listen to the flight attendants and pleads that you have a flight o lead and theres more than just this medical emergency to deal with. He says you really need to consider the weather (how the economy is being impacted) with you decisions where you may divert. Then there's this kid on the flight (avcanada poster) who can see what happening in the cabin and kind of just trusts whatever the flight attendants say, obviously you should just listen to the experts. The captain has the final say and I would do whatever the captain tell me to do. He consulted with the flight attendant... And clearly saving this one life on board is worth it. You don't even need to consider the safe operation of the flight at this point you just need to make sure this one passenger doesn't die... Do what the flight attendant says! She knows best. Anyone who thinks this is wrong is a Karen, a Trump supporter, Q...

Who's running the country right now? The captain or the flight attendant? Yes that's right, the flight attendant has this captain wrapped around her finger.

I didn't know it was doctors and scientist jobs to make economic and political decisions.

Edit, changed up my analogy from kid on the ground to kid on the plane. Way more realistic! Lol
Nobody’s laughing.

Throughout this entire thread, you’ve really come off like a cocky junior FO who’s mad that he’s furloughed, but thinks he’s too pretty to wear a mask.

Either that or a troll. Regardless, what a disgraceful post.
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So, what do people have against wearing a mask while in Walmart, or doing flight instructing, or whatever you're doing? Why is that so difficult?
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