Pfizer Covid Vaccine shows 90% effectiveness.

[Blowin' In The Wind]

My point was that any working pilot is very unlikely to qualify for the vaccine anytime soon so we’re getting a bit ahead of ourselves.

[altiplano]

My point was that any working pilot is very unlikely to qualify for the vaccine anytime soon so we’re getting a bit ahead of ourselves.

Perhaps, but if you are looking for an avenue to get it sooner (ie. take a trip to the States) keep it in mind.

Healthcare in this country always has ways for some to jump the queue too.

[montado]

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/mobile/ontar ... -1.5222009

Hey rockie, mixturerich... Are you both in favor of immunity passport? Seems like Ontario residence may get locked out of certain venues if they choose not to vaccinate. I see a black market coming for vaccine passports.

[Inverted2]

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/mobile/ontar ... -1.5222009

Hey rockie, mixturerich... Are you both in favor of immunity passport? Seems like Ontario residence may get locked out of certain venues if they choose not to vaccinate. I see a black market coming for vaccine passports.

Papers please...... Ve are just following orders. Kinda how they rolled in the Eastern Bloc in the 50’s or Germany in 1939.

Do it for mother Canada, comrades.

[Rockie]

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https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/mobile/ontar ... -1.5222009

Hey rockie, mixturerich... Are you both in favor of immunity passport? Seems like Ontario residence may get locked out of certain venues if they choose not to vaccinate. I see a black market coming for vaccine passports.

Papers please...... Ve are just following orders. Kinda how they rolled in the Eastern Bloc in the 50’s or Germany in 1939.

Do it for mother Canada, comrades.
[/quote]

Yes I would support that. I do not have the right to go anywhere if I present a health risk to others, and that would be my choice if I refuse a vaccine during a pandemic. Comparing that to Nazi Germany or the brutal repression of the Soviet Union on Eastern Europe during the cold war is one of the most ignorant, moronically stupid things I’ve ever heard.

[Inverted2]

Well dingbat, if you get the vaccine than why the #### do you care what I do? You will apparently have a 95% protection from a virus that has a 99+% survival rate. If you’re that fearful of life, I don’t know how you go about your day. Getting out of bed is probably terrifying to you.

[CpnCrunch]

Avcanada at its finest.

[ReserveTank]

Your world view has been corrupted by conspiracy theory, paranoia, and propagandized YouTube channels and websites masquerading as news and facts. At some point in your exploration of internet media, you’ve stepped into a dark hole of nonsense.

The MSM is telling you the truth, 100%? Right.
The corona hysteria has been driven by one contradiction after another. Real experts and provable facts do not flip-flop like this.

Even Fauci said masks didn't work. Then they did. Then they didn't. Now you need to wear them at Christmas dinner.
They said we need to help flatten the curve for hospital bed capacity. Just 2 weeks. OK 4 weeks. Ok, all summer and there will be a second pandemic coming. It will be so bad that a lot of 88 year olds with multiple comorbidities may have an increased mortality risk. So scary.
Kids can carry it but not get sick from it. Quick! Boot them all from school. Put them back in. Kick them back out!
MSM: Young people are dying from COVID, a sad new case confirms-- A 34 year old died from COVID, so sad! He was a healthy 350 lb. fried chicken eater with type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure.
A certain president attempted to stop all Chinese travel as soon as COVID hit. MSM: "Racist!"

[Trematode]

You’re in too deep.

Tip: If your “news” sources like to use terms like “MSM” and you find yourself reiterating those same talking points on a professional pilot’s forum you’ve been propagandized.

Take a break from the net and go strike up some conversations with some real people outside of your social circle. Or wait, maybe wait until this health crisis is over. Carry on.

[2R]

Try not to laugh , but the company that gave the world blue stiffy pills has made a vaccine that can make your face stiffy .
Maybe they should inject it somewhere other than the arm ? The short arm injection ?

[Rockie]

Here is food for thought to those who foolishly trust in your "leaders"
1 Oliver old age home has just faced an outbreak 1st day 8 3rd day 12 and counting + 1 sick nurse
A percentage of workers there wear only surgicals and goggle or shield ALL the visitors wear gowns and surgicals only. After 10 months, are you kiddies smart enough to figure out HOW it gets into homes and how it spreads?
Oh, and to add ignorance to injury, the doctors stopped giving vit. D 1 month ago ! I can only imagine how badly they are going to F___ U_ when they start treating the helpless patients !!

You must lie awake all night staring at the ceiling in fear of people with education and credentials.

[ReserveTank]

Tip: If your “news” sources like to use terms like “MSM” and you find yourself reiterating those same talking points on a professional pilot’s forum you’ve been propagandized.

Mainstream media is an appropriate term as is mainstream music or mainstream art.

Talking points? This is what the MSM is broadcasting, not Alex Jones. In the face of serious contradictions by the approved "experts," you cannot possibly believe what they're saying anymore.
I don't think you would associate yourself with people who constantly contradict themselves on a daily basis. Skepticism would then be a normal reaction. But because of the sensationalism, people willfully ignore their primary and correct sense that something is wrong. THAT is propaganda. It's powerful. Do you think that these people have your best interests in mind?

Take a break from the net and go strike up some conversations with some real people outside of your social circle.

Poor assumption.

Or wait, maybe wait until this health crisis is over.

That's funny. They have no plans for it to end, in case you didn't detect the pattern.
Experts like Gates and Fauci have been lamenting since H1N1 (2009) that people didn't want to take their vaccines and eat their pallets upon pallets of pellets of Tamiflu. Those free people sure aren't profitable.
All they're doing is kicking the can down the road with the dates that things will get back to normal. 2 weeks is now going on a full year. Meanwhile, COVID Central, Wuhan, is actually back to normal and enjoying things like water parks and revenge travel. They stopped testing and disallowed sensationalism. I wonder how their airlines are doing?

You must lie awake all night staring at the ceiling in fear of people with education and credentials

I've always loved the credentialist stance. Because someone has a diploma, they're a beacon of morality.

Political experts in 2003: "There's WMDs in Iraq."
Financial experts in 2007: "The housing market is strong."

Those guys were pretty well credentialed, don't ya think?
But they were on TV and had well-prepared rhetoric. Mesmerizing. I understand now.

[montado]

Vaccine is approved.

[Rockie]

Vaccine is approved.

Damn those educated people with credentials.

[Human Factor]

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[montado]

Human Factor, Where do you find this trash! I want to raid rockie's inbox with it to convert him to the dark side bahaha.

[ReserveTank]

Vaccine is approved.

Damn those educated people with credentials.

In line after you. I insist.

[Inverted2]

Anyone who wants it, your body, your choice. Have at er’

[Inverted2]

Vaccine is approved.

Of course they approved it. Millions of doses were already bought and paid for.

[pecessix]

Pfizer recently announced that its covid vaccine was more than 90 percent “effective” at preventing covid-19. Shortly after this announcement, Moderna announced that its covid vaccine was 94.5 percent “effective” at preventing covid-19. Unlike the flu vaccine, which is one shot, both covid vaccines require two shots given three to four weeks apart. Hidden toward the end of both announcements, were the definitions of “effective.”

Both trials have a treatment group that received the vaccine and a control group that did not. All the trial subjects were covid negative prior to the start of the trial. The analysis for both trials was performed when a target number of “cases” were reached. “Cases” were defined by positive polymerase chain reaction (PCR) testing. There was no information about the cycle number for the PCR tests. There was no information about whether the “cases” had symptoms or not. There was no information about hospitalizations or deaths. The Pfizer study had 43,538 participants and was analyzed after 164 cases. So, roughly 150 out 21,750 participants (less than 0.7 percent) became PCR positive in the control group and about one-tenth that number in the vaccine group became PCR positive. The Moderna trial had 30,000 participants. There were 95 “cases” in the 15,000 control participants (about 0.6 percent) and 5 “cases” in the 15,000 vaccine participants (about one-twentieth of 0.6 percent). The “efficacy” figures quoted in these announcements are odds ratios.

There is no evidence, yet, that the vaccine prevented any hospitalizations or any deaths. The Moderna announcement claimed that eleven cases in the control group were “severe” disease, but “severe” was not defined. If there were any hospitalizations or deaths in either group, the public has not been told. When the risks of an event are small, odds ratios can be misleading about absolute risk. A more meaningful measure of efficacy would be the number to vaccinate to prevent one hospitalization or one death. Those numbers are not available. An estimate of the number to treat from the Moderna trial to prevent a single “case” would be fifteen thousand vaccinations to prevent ninety “cases” or 167 vaccinations per “case” prevented which does not sound nearly as good as 94.5 percent effective. The publicists working for pharmaceutical companies are very smart people. If there were a reduction in mortality from these vaccines, that information would be in the first paragraph of the announcement.

There is no information about how long any protective benefit from the vaccine would persist. Antibody response following covid-19 appears to be short lived. Based on what we know, the covid vaccine may require two shots every three to six months to be protective. The more shots required, the greater the risk of side effects from sensitization to the vaccine.

There is no information about safety. None. Government agencies like the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) appear to have two completely different standards for attributing deaths to covid-19 and attributing side effects to covid vaccines. If these vaccines are approved, as they likely will be, the first group to be vaccinated will be the beta testers. I am employed by a university-based medical center that is a referral center for the West Texas region. My colleagues include resident physicians and faculty physicians who work with covid patients on a daily basis. I have asked a number of my colleagues whether they will be first in line for the new vaccine. I have yet to hear any of my colleagues respond affirmatively. The reasons for hesitancy are that the uncertainties about safety exceed what they perceive to be a small benefit. In other words, my colleagues would prefer to take their chances with covid rather than beta test the vaccine. Many of my colleagues want to see the safety data after a year of use before getting vaccinated; these colleagues are concerned about possible autoimmune side effects that may not appear for months after vaccination.

These announcements by Pfizer and Moderna are encouraging. I certainly hope that these vaccines protect people from the harm of covid-19. I certainly hope that these vaccines are safe. If both of these conditions are true, nobody will need to be coerced into taking the vaccine. However, you should pay even more attention about what is left out of an announcement than about what is stated. The pharmaceutical companies are more than happy for patients to misunderstand what is meant by efficacy. Caveat emptor (buyer beware)!

Gilbert Berdine, MD
2020/11/24

Gilbert Berdine is an associate professor of medicine at Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center and an affiliate of the Free Market Institute at Texas Tech University.