Hi all,
bought a plane a while ago. My 90 day temporary CofR expires in a few days. The service standard deadline TC aims for, had a deadline for yesterday.
Called and emailed twice. Last time was today. And while I appreciate they actually answered the phone, nothing could be done and I have to wait.
Any backdoor tips and tricks to get this processed in time?
What would happen if I just keep flying the plane? I guess legally I could get fined, but realistically probably nothing would happen?
Pretty frustrated at this point.
/rant over
TC too slow with issuing new CofR
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TC too slow with issuing new CofR
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
Re: TC too slow with issuing new CofR
The problem with flying it anyway is that you'll record flights in the JL that predate the issue of the new CofR. Not only are you breaking the law, but you'll be leaving a paper trail that (in theory) could come to light, later. is it likely? No. Possible? Yes. And you won't be able to claim it was inadvertent, or thoughtless. So in the unlikely event that it does become an issue there will be no mercy.
Are you sure there's no COVID extension to an interim C of R?
According to the TC website the interim CofR is valid until "the last day of the 3-month period following the sale of the aircraft by the previous owner. There's something in the CARs maintenance standards that says an interval given in months is counted until the first day of the next month (hence annual inspections being due the first of the 13th month, similarly for medicals etc.) If you can dig out that rule see if the wording is the same as the above- that will give you up to and including 1 November - another 10 days.
EDIT: compare the wording "Last day of the three month period following..." with other times in the CARs such as "last day of the fifth month after..." and "last day of the 16th month after..." which appears somewhere. See if you can convince yourself that "last day of the three month period" means the same as the "last day of the third month". In which case you'd have a way to argue yourself out of an enforcement action, if it came to that. That would work until 31 October.
Are you sure there's no COVID extension to an interim C of R?
According to the TC website the interim CofR is valid until "the last day of the 3-month period following the sale of the aircraft by the previous owner. There's something in the CARs maintenance standards that says an interval given in months is counted until the first day of the next month (hence annual inspections being due the first of the 13th month, similarly for medicals etc.) If you can dig out that rule see if the wording is the same as the above- that will give you up to and including 1 November - another 10 days.
EDIT: compare the wording "Last day of the three month period following..." with other times in the CARs such as "last day of the fifth month after..." and "last day of the 16th month after..." which appears somewhere. See if you can convince yourself that "last day of the three month period" means the same as the "last day of the third month". In which case you'd have a way to argue yourself out of an enforcement action, if it came to that. That would work until 31 October.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
Re: TC too slow with issuing new CofR
Interesting, thanks!
I asked if I could get an extension or another temporary CofR, and the lady said 'no'. I did not ask for Covid specifically, I shall investigate.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
Re: TC too slow with issuing new CofR
You have an interim CofR. They absolutely can (202.25(1)(b))issue you a temporary CofR as permitted by the regulations when a continuing CofR (what you want) cannot immediately be issued.
And by the way it says the Minister "shall" issue - you shouldn't have to wait on the Minister's pleasure.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
Re: TC too slow with issuing new CofR
Another person I know has simply parked his plane in the hangar because he can't get insured due to lack of a CofR. TC promised it in mid September (4 months after purchase of the plane), but as of earlier this week he still hadn't got it. Not sure what the solution is, or even why TC is in such a mess. What's it got to do with COVID?
Re: TC too slow with issuing new CofR
Why do you need a C of R to buy an insurance policy? I've never been asked for one.
The delay doesn't likely have anything to do with COVID, but if there's a COVID exemption, you could still use it. And anyway by this time I'd be contacting my MP to speak to the Minister of Transport. Bring to the actual minister's attention his own regulations, and ask why he personally is taking so long to comply with his requirements.
The delay doesn't likely have anything to do with COVID, but if there's a COVID exemption, you could still use it. And anyway by this time I'd be contacting my MP to speak to the Minister of Transport. Bring to the actual minister's attention his own regulations, and ask why he personally is taking so long to comply with his requirements.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
Re: TC too slow with issuing new CofR
Holy balony, that's gold!photofly wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:18 amYou have an interim CofR. They absolutely can (202.25(1)(b))issue you a temporary CofR as permitted by the regulations when a continuing CofR (what you want) cannot immediately be issued.
And by the way it says the Minister "shall" issue - you shouldn't have to wait on the Minister's pleasure.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
Re: TC too slow with issuing new CofR
They must be reading avcanada. I just got my new CofR via email.
Note, they require proof of ID, even though that wasn't anywhere on the paperwork. No big deal, but for future reference and to prevent extra delays, a copy of a valid ID/passport is required.
Note, they require proof of ID, even though that wasn't anywhere on the paperwork. No big deal, but for future reference and to prevent extra delays, a copy of a valid ID/passport is required.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
Re: TC too slow with issuing new CofR
You have to prove you're eligible to register an aircraft in Canada, i.e. citizen or PR. Sometimes they have it on file already.
I bet there's a TC administrative officer tasked with creating a table referencing AvCanada ID's vs pilot file numbers. Yours should be a shoe-in now, so watch what you write
I really approve of the email CofR. It means you can print extra copies, all of which are equally valid.
They have to be doing something instead of issuing the paperwork people are waiting for
I bet there's a TC administrative officer tasked with creating a table referencing AvCanada ID's vs pilot file numbers. Yours should be a shoe-in now, so watch what you write I really approve of the email CofR. It means you can print extra copies, all of which are equally valid.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
Re: TC too slow with issuing new CofR
But you also need to send back old CofR every time you get a new one. So if I move in a few years, and I get a new CofR, do I need to send them an email back with the attachement? Do I print out 10 copies and send them back?photofly wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:27 pm You have to prove you're eligible to register an aircraft in Canada, i.e. citizen or PR. Sometimes they have it on file already.
They have to be doing something instead of issuing the paperwork people are waiting for
I really approve of the email CofR. It means you can print extra copies, all of which are equally valid.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
Re: TC too slow with issuing new CofR
Have I mentioned before how I love dealing with the friendly and professional people at Transport Canada?photofly wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:27 pm
They have to be doing something instead of issuing the paperwork people are waiting for
(and it's not even sarcasm, once you actually reach the proper person, things are usually taken care of quickly)
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
Re: TC too slow with issuing new CofR
I don't want to make you sick, but the last time I registered an airplane (just last week) I got the CofR back the same day. I guess it depends on *how* you ask...?digits_ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:38 pmHave I mentioned before how I love dealing with the friendly and professional people at Transport Canada?photofly wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:27 pm
They have to be doing something instead of issuing the paperwork people are waiting for
(and it's not even sarcasm, once you actually reach the proper person, things are usually taken care of quickly)
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.
Re: TC too slow with issuing new CofR
Via email, registered mail and phone call. All very friendly. Maybe I should have faxed or telegraphed
Prairie region. But it's all taken care of now.
As an AvCanada discussion grows longer:
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
-the probability of 'entitlement' being mentioned, approaches 1
-one will be accused of using bad airmanship
Re: TC too slow with issuing new CofR
Just go fly it and enjoy it. If TC isn’t issuing paperwork, they sure as heck ain’t out with boots on the ground checking up on private aircraft. I haven’t seen them lurking around since the Covid.digits_ wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:53 am Hi all,
bought a plane a while ago. My 90 day temporary CofR expires in a few days. The service standard deadline TC aims for, had a deadline for yesterday.
Called and emailed twice. Last time was today. And while I appreciate they actually answered the phone, nothing could be done and I have to wait.
Any backdoor tips and tricks to get this processed in time?
What would happen if I just keep flying the plane? I guess legally I could get fined, but realistically probably nothing would happen?
Pretty frustrated at this point.
/rant over
Let’s Go Brandon
Re: TC too slow with issuing new CofR
I had an issue with one taking longer than 90 days very recently. I emailed them for an update and they send it back within a few hours.
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