300XC question

[pilotjack]

Hello. I did my CPL XC last year CYKF-CYEL-CYXZ-CYAM-CYKF. I did it all alone. I was just wondering if I needed to make those "2" landings before I got to Wawa or is the way I did it valid as I still landed in 3 places, just one being on the way back to Kitchener.

[bbingham]

You might want to check the distance on that 300nm cross country. When I did mine out of CYAM, I had to go all the way down to St Catherines area to hit the 300nm radius requirement. According to Foreflight, CYKF-CYAM is only 250ish

From TC 421.30: 25 hours solo flight time emphasizing the improvement of general flying skills of the applicant which shall include a cross-country flight to a point of a minimum of 300 nautical mile radius from the point of departure and shall include a minimum of 3 landings at points other than that of departure

[NotDirty!]

While YKF-YAM is only 253 nm, YKF-YXZ is 328 nm. So you are good there. I too did a similar 300XC many years ago, and it was accepted with one stop each way (different airports for each stop). So unless TC’s interpretation of the regs has changed in the last 17 years, you should be good.

[bbingham]

My apologies. I got Wawa and Wiarton confused. I'll go back to lurking now

[NotDirty!]

No worries! Groundhogs vs Canada Geese, and identifiers that have little to nothing to do with the location name…. I suppose the VV in YVV looks like a W, so maybe that’s the link to Wiarton. And YXZ has all the letters after W, and I suppose the last three letters before “a”, and with just those two letters you can spell Wawa.

[redlaser]

Did you get your pilot logbook signed at the different airports you landed,

[Invertago]

Did you get your pilot logbook signed at the different airports you landed,

Is that a requirement now?

[Aviatard]

Did you get your pilot logbook signed at the different airports you landed,

Is that a requirement now?

No. There is a s no requirement you have a logbook signed for cross country flights

[redlaser]

Then who is to say you landed at the airports you claim to have visited, TC could require proof .

[ant_321]

Then who is to say you landed at the airports you claim to have visited, TC could require proof .

How do you prove to transport you did any of your required cross country. Or any solo training for that matter.

[Beefitarian]

Is it possible there’s a record of flight plans?

Receipts for fuel? Hotel rooms? Wiarton Willy stuffy?

[redlaser]

Buy a sandwich at the airport restaurant and keep the receipt, as proof you were there.

[digits_]

Ah come on. Let's not pollute the thread.

TC does not require certified logbooks, and does not require stamps from airports or hotel receipts. Jeesh

[172DDriver]

Then who is to say you landed at the airports you claim to have visited, TC could require proof .

How do you prove to transport you did any of your required cross country. Or any solo training for that matter.

TC doesn't care about your stamp.

[Inverted2]

Then who is to say you landed at the airports you claim to have visited, TC could require proof .

They could ask to see the aircraft journey logbook. That is a legal document and would prove you landed there.

[broken_slinky]

Out of curiosity, how many CPLs only had a single 300NM XC in their log books by the time they had the hours in to satisfy the CPL requirements? My first 300NM XC was a milestone for sure and not downplaying it. By the time I had my CPL hours, I had several XCs that well exceeded the requirements. Almost like the first was there to push me outside my comfort zone and the rest just built on my knowledge and strengths.

[digits_]

Out of curiosity, how many CPLs only had a single 300NM XC in their log books by the time they had the hours in to satisfy the CPL requirements? My first 300NM XC was a milestone for sure and not downplaying it. By the time I had my CPL hours, I had several XCs that well exceeded the requirements. Almost like the first was there to push me outside my comfort zone and the rest just built on my knowledge and strengths.

Depends. The requirements for the 300 NM XC are somewhat artificial. I had flown much further than 300 NM from my homebase very frequently, yet I only had one that would satisfy all the regulatory requriements. Some friends of mine had the same issue. Mainly because when you travel with another pilot, you often switch seats after every leg, 'screwing up' the requirements. Making 3 other landings on the same day (not necessarily a TC requirement, but other countries interpret it that way) are also not quite common on longer trips. If you want to go far you fly to the end of your fuel, refuel and go again, which will typically bring you to the end of the day. It's not hard to meet the 300 XC requirements, but I find that it doesn't happen naturally. Then you have delays which might spread your trip out over multiple days, which might again be an issue for some regulators.

[Sailtime]

Gee; 300 NM is nothing really. After I got my private I decided, instead of building hours locally, I jumped into a rented Cherokee 140 at Voyageur Airways and flew south from North Bay to Marathon. That is, Marathon in the Florida Keys. I had 55 hours TT when I departed. On a stop in Titusville Fla. I taxied in and was marshalled to my spot. The ramp guy was very welcoming and asked if I was flying again today. I answered no so he handed me a cold one while asking if I had ever seen a rocket take off. Of course I said no as he pointed out that one was launching in about an hour. That was pretty neat. Even caught some fish in Marathon. That whole experience taught me so much more than if I had stayed in Ontario. Even figured out how to use the VOR....

[Big Pistons Forever]

Gee; 300 NM is nothing really. After I got my private I decided, instead of building hours locally, I jumped into a rented Cherokee 140 at Voyageur Airways and flew south from North Bay to Marathon. That is, Marathon in the Florida Keys. I had 55 hours TT when I departed. On a stop in Titusville Fla. I taxied in and was marshalled to my spot. The ramp guy was very welcoming and asked if I was flying again today. I answered no so he handed me a cold one while asking if I had ever seen a rocket take off. Of course I said no as he pointed out that one was launching in about an hour. That was pretty neat. Even caught some fish in Marathon. That whole experience taught me so much more than if I had stayed in Ontario. Even figured out how to use the VOR....

That is a great way to do your CPL build up time. The lessons you learn setting out on your own will last you a lifetime.

With respect to signing a log book, that is one of those "back in the day" things. When I did my cross country in 1976 you had to get your log book endorsed at each stop. The FSS's even had a little stamp for the endorsement.

[photofly]

Then who is to say you landed at the airports you claim to have visited, TC could require proof .

They could ask to see the aircraft journey logbook. That is a legal document and would prove you landed there.

If you’re going to fake your own pilot log, then the presumption is that you would also fake the journey log.

It’s basically a non-issue. TC would have to come up with some pretty convincing evidence that you didn’t make the journey as recorded (like the weather was 0/0 that day or the aircraft was written off in an accident two years prior) to deny you, and they have better things to do with their time.

Putting it another way, if TC is forensically investigating the veracity of your logbook you have much bigger problems that just your x/c.