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doc: not that i'm confirming your allegation, but it would be trigger.tc.gc.ca not the one you had mentioned.
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That's the kind of performance you would expect from a TC Inspector not one where you feel like a terorist before you open your mouth. Glad to hear there are some good one around.

There should be some kind of Rights For Pilots policy in the CARS that protect us from Power hungry inspectors that have little to no experience.
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Well it is too bad there are bad pilots, air carriers and inspectors, but there are good ones too. Usually when I conduct ramp inspections the crew are shown my credentials (as it is required) this identifies who I am. The next question is usually when are you leaving, if you are leaving shortly I just ask for lic, med and PPC. If the load is not secured or parts are hanging off the aircraft well that gets a bit more involved. (this may seem silly but I have seen it and other things)
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I remember one inspector, his name now eludes me, who was really cool. I was flying single otter at the time, and also young and very foolish. I tried to lash a very large hot tub onto the floats. Now the TC fellow sat back and watched, unannounced and unnoticed as I proceeded to make a fool of myself. After about 45 minutes of watching me curse and scream he came over and introduced himself. Being a former otter driver himself he proceeded to laugh at me and inform me to the folly of my ways. Then he shook my hand and left, a really, really nice guy. Wish I could remember his name.
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A Regulator:

Good points.

And of course I'm sure that you also know some of the outlaws and what to look for. :mrgreen:

Those of us in aviation who try and do things right have no problem with TC enforcing the rules, in fact we insist on it. Over the past fifty years I have seen to many crimminal operators kill to many of my colleauges and get away with it.

I personally am not all that sure that random ramp checks are the way to do it though, maybe it would be better for the inspector to have probable cause or at least a reasonable suspition before checking people who are going about their lawful business?

Just my thoughts. :)

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A.W. :

Do you mind if the administrators have a look and see if all or some of your posts were made from a TC computer?

And if you have posted from a TC computer the administrators can confirm same here? :mrgreen:

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coming from the old school I always noticed that if a pilot couldn't cut it in the real world he applied to TC that might not be the case now. And as far as bad pilots don't forget who issued them there licences. Its a root problem that can be fixed by starting with standards and educating not violating the aviation community. ( wish i could spelll but I worded for TC for to long )
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Cat Driver wrote:A.W. :
And if you have posted from a TC computer the administrators can confirm same here?
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AW wrote: Come on Cat buddy, let's see if you can really guess who I am, you know me real well
  • There are a number of things Forum Administrators/ Moderators can do.
  • There are a number of things we won't do, such as giving out IP addresses.
This permits a number of interesting and forthright discussions every day. It also encourages some frivoulous ones, and you can guess which way this one is headed. While this back and forth between you two over the last few months has been interesting, clearly neither of you is going to take steps to resolve the impasse between you . Get a couple of duelling pistols if you want and start pacing off outside... but stop wasting bandwidth with this infantile back and forth.

Cat: I offer you every encouragement on winning your TC battle. But try and stay on point in future.
AW: if you were in theory, an inspector, your approach while on line here isn't representative of most of the CAI's I know. If you are one, you might want to consider learning what a reasoned approach is.

I'm not interested in any He Said/ She Said PM's from either of you. You're both over 18, settle it amongst yourselves.
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Just C...:

It 's 09:00 here at Valkenberg Naval Airbase in Holland. The weather is the same as yesterday, sky clear and its going to be hot again today with strong easterly winds.

My only concern is the left engine is showing some rather frustrating signs of excessive CHT unless I run it in Auto Rich with the cowl flaps full open. After three hours and several flights I have been unable to definitively determine as to weather the problem lies with a faulty CHT guage or if in fact that thermocouple and guage are really giving me a true CHT message. That is the problem with old technology engines that only probe one cylinder, you are not getting enough information.

The oil temps and oil pressures are showing normal on both engines and there are only slight temperature excursions as the vernatherm cycles.

So soon I shall leave this computer and once again fly that bird and see if we can determine exactly what is going on with that new engine.

More than likely it will gradually decrease in temperature or maybe we will do a little fiddling with the guage and see what happens.

By the way A.W. is nothing more than a couriousity as far as I am concerned.

Now you all take care and fly safe. :)

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Heard the RCMP big wig got delayed a few minutes at Buttonville Airport with a ramp check. Also heard that TC got burned for it. Maybe TC will learn how to do it right.
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I just got ramped yesterday in Brandon. This was my first run in with Transport. And, believe it or not, it went quite well. No violations, and Cat Driver will be appalled to know, that the inspector was friendly, and didn't go out of his way at all to make my life miserable. He commented when he was done, " that was so bad after all, now was it?"

For my first run in with Transport, it was pretty good. Mind you, I won't be holding my breath at all, next time I have a run in with TC. Someone else doing the ramp check could have made my life miserable I'm sure.
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Just Curious wrote: This permits a number of interesting and forthright discussions every day. It also encourages some frivoulous ones, and you can guess which way this one is headed. While this back and forth between you two over the last few months has been interesting, clearly neither of you is going to take steps to resolve the impasse between you . Get a couple of duelling pistols if you want and start pacing off outside... but stop wasting bandwidth with this infantile back and forth.

Cat: I offer you every encouragement on winning your TC battle. But try and stay on point in future.
AW: if you were in theory, an inspector, your approach while on line here isn't representative of most of the CAI's I know. If you are one, you might want to consider learning what a reasoned approach is.

I'm not interested in any He Said/ She Said PM's from either of you. You're both over 18, settle it amongst yourselves.

Image ...okay...I feel guilty of something I haven't done.
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Hey, Just courious, what is with you?

I have never PM'd you about anyone on this forum, I could't be bothered , maybe you have me confused with someone else? :mrgreen:

CClub :

Why would I be appaled that a TC inspector was polite? That is what they are supposed to be, remember we are thir client and pay their wages.

What I am against is their use of ramp checks to hassle law abiding citizens trying to find something such as some poor bastard having forgot their license at home so they can extort more money from us.

Thank God I don't have that problem overseas.

If they spent more time investigating operators who flaunt the rules maybe this industry would be safer.

But hell no, lazy people just take the easy way and fish for infractions among the general pilot pool.

Oh well I could care less, like I said I got smart and don't fly in Canada for a living.

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Funny, how they'll ding you if a bolt is missing, but the PIC can be wasted and they won't say much...
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Cat Driver: I just figured that you probably wouldn't believe if I said Transport was actually nice to me! :D
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Cclub :

No not in the least, some of my best friends are or were TC people.

The problem that I have is there is an ingrained systemic rot within the body of the regulator, the problem is a result of missmanagement at the top resulting a culture of fear within the lower ranks.

We must root out the people who are responsible for this sorry state of affairs, or you will have an unhappy career.

I understand only to well the reluctance of the younger genreation to believe that a regulating body such as TC could be tainted by corrupt top management, but you must believe it.

I fully intend to do my best to bring about changes for the better, I owe that to you and all those who follow me in this industry.

Aviation has been good to me over the years, and believe me there was a time when we had a good working relationship between TC and us the grunts who work on this side of the business.

Even if I fail at what I have started, maybe some day someone will pick up where I left off and finish what I tried to do.

Anyhow for what ever it is worth I can compartmentalize these things and live a normal life flying for a living and still grind away at bringing accountability to those who taint our industry through dishonest corrupt power brokering and bullying those who work under them.

Are you aware that we have top level managers in TC, who have been found to be corrupt that are not only still in their positions of power but still get "performance bonuses" ? Truly a disgusting state of affairs.

I can name them and show proof of the foregoing using their own internal documents...sent to me by my friends in TC in plain brown envelopes.

If you don't believe me e-mail the office of the Regional Director General Transport Canada, Pacific Region and you will find that I produced such documents at a meeting with the RDG last year...he agreed that they in fact were genuine internal documents.....it just drives them crazy trying to figure out who is sending me these documents....one of which had in large lettering across the top.

PROTECTED...please shred when finished.

Yup, it just drives the bastard nuts when I toss this stuff on the desk in front of him and ask him if he recognizes what I have.....

So Cclub , no, I'm not at all surpised there are good people there, hell I know some of them. ( The person referred to above is not one of them by the way...far, far from it, in fact he is part of the problem. )

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Cat,

I believe you completely when you talk of corruption within the ranks. TC is government beaurocracy to the core. I glad to hear you are fighting it as much as you possibly can. I hope you can bring changes.

I might ad, that when the ramp check was started I was really wondering what kind of inspector I would get. My successful ramp check could have just as easily been a violation, going by what other people have told me!
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There are far more useful ways that TC could use their time other than conducting ramp checks, such as really investigating and enforcing the rules with companies that flaunt them and force pilots to be rule breakers.

However that is not how they work, there are political considerations that TC bend to and real enforcement is not carried out.

Like here where I live, we have RCMP manning speed traps sometimes using three cars and six officers and just a few blocks away the drug dealers ply their trade while the addicts assault old people and rob them in broad daylight.

There is no money in catching crimminals, but lots of money catching the working stiff exceeding the speed limit.

However my issue with Transport Canada is not how they carry out their day to day duties but rather the TC top level management who are corrupt...

Until we change that part of TC we will never get changes in the manner in which they regulate.

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I have to agree with everything said about TC.
a.) There are many good honourable and worthwhile people working there.
b.) There is a lack of control over certain despicable and useless individuals whom I would like to drag into court and see fired from government employ because they are jailbait.
c.) Upper management of TC are crooked as dogs' hind legs. I have their lies in writing. This makes them guilty by association.

Just tell me how I can help clean up this vipers nest of authority abuse, vindictive behaviour, and careless disregard of truth and incompetence.
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snaproll :

" Just tell me how I can help clean up this vipers nest of authority abuse, vindictive behaviour, and careless disregard of truth and incompetence. "

Wow, I had forgotten this thread from way back.

To answer your question here are two ways.

(1) Any genuine complaints against TC can be posted at this site.

http://www.underground.tc.ca/

(2) We then get a group together and using our MP's we demand that our elected officials investigate and where wrongdoing is proven, remove the wrongdoers from the public payroll.

I will put up several candates with proof of wrongdoing.

And they are at the top.

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Check out the TC and the Cat forum. if your interested in this topic.
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Post by Croissant Wrench »

Let's hear some TC names or are all you tough guys just weanies.
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This is why you fight every ticket, my late Uncle "a Justice" once told me that fighting a tricket cost the government in the order of 500$, your 150$ fine and upped insurance can't recover that for them. if 10% of the tickets were fought you would bankrupt the system in a month.
Cat Driver wrote: Like here where I live, we have RCMP manning speed traps sometimes using three cars and six officers and just a few blocks away the drug dealers ply their trade while the addicts assault old people and rob them in broad daylight.

There is no money in catching crimminals, but lots of money catching the working stiff exceeding the speed limit.



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