Small plane on way to N.B. crashes near Quebec City

[Goose]

From CBC.ca

Small plane on way to N.B. crashes near Quebec City
Last Updated: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 | 8:58 AM ET
CBC News

A small single-engine airplane carrying four people has gone down southeast of Quebec City.

Police and a coast guard helicopter are in the area and four military aircraft are heading to the isolated spot where the plane went down Tuesday morning.

No one has been able to reach the site because of bad weather.

Rescue officials told CBC News that at least one survivor was able to call for help but there is no word yet on the condition of the others.

The plane was reportedly on its way to Saint John.

Any further info available?

[giacomojg]

PA28 Crashed near Buckland (80 km south-east of Quebec city)
2 survivals was air-lifted by Canadian air force helicopter toward Enfant-Jesus' hospital in Quebec city.
Also 2 doa.

[Widow]

CADORS Number: 2009Q0024 Reporting Region: Quebec

Occurrence InformationOccurrence Type: Accident Occurrence Date: 2009/01/06
Occurrence Time: 1025 Z Day Or Night: night-time
Fatalities: 2 Injuries: 2

Canadian Aerodrome ID: Aerodrome Name:
Occurrence Location: À 40 milles nautiques à l'est de Québec Province: Quebec
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: CACO, NAV CANADA, MEDIA, BST AOR Number: 103261-V2
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.: A09Q0003
Event InformationCollision with terrain
Aircraft InformationFlight #:
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: CANADA
Make: PIPER Model: PA28 140
Year Built: 1968 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: AVCO LYCOMING Engine Model: O-320-E2A
Engine Type: Reciprocating Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Cruise Damage: Destroyed
Owner: Private Operator:
Operator Type: Private

Detail InformationUser Name: Sirois, Richard
Date: 2009/01/06
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Maintenance & Manufacturing
Narrative: Un Piper PA28 de propriété privée, effectuait un vol depuis Québec/Jean-Lesage (CYQB) à destination de Saint John, NB (CYSJ). Après que le contrôleur du centre de contrôle régional (CCR) de Montréal ait perdu le contact radar avec l'appareil qui était situé à 25 milles nautiques au sud de Québec. L'aéronef en déjà en feu était en descente rapide. Deux aéronefs survolant la région ont rapporté avoir reçu un signal de radiobalise d'urgence (ELT). Trois occupants ont été gravement blessés et un occupant est manquant. Le centre de recherche et sauvetage de Trenton (RCC TR) et de Halifax (HS), le service de police provincial ont été avisés.

User Name: Sirois, Richard
Date: 2009/01/06
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: General Aviation
Narrative: Mise à jour #2: Le numéro et la classe d'enquête du BST ont été ajoutés. Selon le rapport du BST #A09Q0003: Vers 05 h 10 HNE, le PA-28-140 de propriété privée était environ à 40 milles à l'est de Québec en route vers Saint-John (Nouveau Brunswick) selon les règles de vol à vue lorsque l'appareil a disparu de l'écran radar. Quelques instants plus tard un des passagers a effectué un appel au 911 afin d'aviser de l'accident. La nature des blessures des occupants est inconnue pour l'instant. L'ELT s'est déclenché à l'impact et l'appareil a été localisé quelques heures après l'accident.

User Name: Sirois, Richard
Date: 2009/01/06
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: General Aviation
Narrative: Mise à jour #1: Selon les informations obtenues de Nav Canada, l'aéronef, qui effectuait un vol selon les règles de vol à vue (VFR) s'est écrasé contre une montagne et serait une perte totale. Deux des quatre personnes à bord sont décédées et les deux autres sont gravement blessées. Le Bureau de la sécurité des transports (BST) et le centre national de l'exploitation (NOC) ont été avisés.

[EPR]

The above post translates roughly to this:
Narrative: A Piper PA28 private property, was on a flight from Québec / Jean Lesage (CYQB) to Saint John, NB (CYSJ). After the Controller Area Control Center (JRC) of Montreal has lost radar contact with the aircraft, which was located 25 nautical miles south of Quebec. The aircraft was already on fire in a rapid descent. Two aircraft flying over the region have reported receiving a signal from an emergency beacon (ELT). Three occupants were seriously injured and one person is missing. The center of search and rescue from Trenton (TR RCC) and Halifax (HS), the provincial police force have been notified.

User Name: Sirois, Richard
Date: 2009/01/06
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: General Aviation
Narrative: Update # 2: The number and class of TSB were added. According to the report TSB # A09Q0003: Towards 05 pm EST 10, the PA-28-140 of private property was about 40 miles east of Quebec en route to Saint John (New Brunswick), according to flight rules view when the aircraft disappeared from the radar screen. Moments later a passenger made a 911 call to notify the accident. The nature of the injuries of occupants is unknown at this time. The ELT was activated on impact and the aircraft was located a few hours after the accident.

User Name: Sirois, Richard
Date: 2009/01/06
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: General Aviation
Narrative: Update # 1: According to information obtained from Nav Canada, the aircraft which was flying according to visual flight rules (VFR) crashed against a mountain and would be a total loss. Two of the four people on board died and two others were seriously injured. The Bureau of Transportation Safety (BST) and the National Operations Center (NOC) have been notified.

[F/O Crunch]

Was listening to CBC radio about an hour ago. Reporter said the piper originated from Arnprior, stopped in Quebec for fuel.

Was one name released on the air... but I don't think we do that here..

Sorry to hear,
foc

[TeePeeCreeper]

Was listening to CBC radio about an hour ago. Reporter said the piper originated from Arnprior, stopped in Quebec for fuel.

Was one name released on the air... but I don't think we do that here..

Sorry to hear,
foc

PM inbound

[Four1oh]

montreal center was asking us if we heard anything as we flew over YQB this morning in the wee hours... even with the squelch off, no ELT heard. Sorry to hear.

[phillyfan]

I met this guy at a bar over Christmas. Seemed like a real good guy. Real sad, he was just looking to build a bit of time so that he could find himself a job in the future.

[Strega]

"looking to build a bit of time" Once again, fate is the hunter....

My condolences to the friends, and family of all involved.

[spin drift]

Very sad indeed just to say we were all at that stage at one point, trying to build time.

Pretty sad also that some jackass tried to steel the engine the night following the crash,
they supposedly used the wing as a sled, to haul the powerplant out of the bush, but gave up after a while.
Too bad they didn't get caught...

Here is a link from a TVA news crew from the crash site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIseJTt0p-Y

My condolences to the family & friends.

[Widow]

Pretty sad also that some jackass tried to steel the engine the night following the crash,
they supposedly used the wing as a sled, to haul the powerplant out of the bush, but gave up after a while.

Shame. Shame. So little respect ...

Deepest condolences to those affected, and may the recovery of the survivors be speedy and complete.

[grimey]

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadi ... mbennj1x5w

Man from Almonte, Ont., identified as second victim in Quebec plane crash

4 hours ago

MONTREAL — A 26-year-old man from Almonte, Ont., has been identified as the second victim of a horrific plane crash southeast of Quebec City.

Quebec provincial police say Jeffrey Hugues McClymont was the passenger killed when a Piper aircraft smashed into a tree-lined mountain shortly after taking off from the Quebec City airport on Tuesday.

While police have not officially released the identity of the deceased pilot, friends and relatives have confirmed it was Jesse Barrie of Pakenham, an aspiring 27-year-old pilot whose father owns the single-engine, four-seater that crashed.

A 26-year-old woman and 21-year-old man, both from the Ottawa area, are in stable condition in a Quebec City hospital after being plucked from the mountain side during a daring rescue involving multiple military air assets.

Police spokeswoman Ann Mathieu says investigators have spoken with the woman in hospital and that both survivors are expected to live.

She says the group was headed to New Brunswick where one of them was to visit relatives.

[Hedley]

I didn't know you could carry 4 adults in a 150hp Cherokee.

[Prairie Chicken]

I think the Warrier was 150 hp., PA28-151. It had four seats. You could carry pax or fuel.

[Hedley]

From the CADORs, above

Make: PIPER Model: PA28 140
Year Built: 1968 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: AVCO LYCOMING Engine Model: O-320-E2A

Unless it's been modified by STC (to 160hp), I think that's
a 150hp Lycoming, which in that airframe, doesn't carry
four adults very well.

I know a guy who tried, though - he literally crashed and
burned, taking off from a short grass strip not too far from
here. No one died, but one of his unfortunate pax was in
and out of hospital for years with back trouble, and eventually
had to have some vertebrae fused.

I recall another Piper Cherokee, a few decades back, that
with a few adults on board, tried unsuccessfully to outclimb
the very gently rising terrain, north of Thunder Bay. I doubt
anyone here is old enough to remember that one.

[cgzro]

Here is a W&B calculator for the PA28 140.

http://www.hariguchi.org/cgi-bin/wb.cgi

My condolences also ....

[cgzro]

Sorry wrong link above .... this seems to work.

http://www.hariguchi.org/flying/resources/wb/pa28-140/

He also has a few others on there ..

Peter

[Tango Kilo]

Did my flying training in a PA28-140 here in UK.

Those who fly a -140, or know someone who does, will find a sad current thread extremely enlightening in respect to pre-flight checks - sorry, not sure how to copy linkage but see;

http://www.pprune.org
(Forums)
Private Flying
Aircraft down in Staffordshire

or/

http://www.pprune.org/private-flying/35 ... ire-1.html

Fly Safe
Rod.

[pelmet]

Accident site

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIseJTt0p-Y