Ne pas des Francias!!
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I've flown into Mexico a few times, I'd almost learn spanish to avoid the confusion next time, Also was in QC last week, IFR was no problem at all controllers were proficient in English and clear as can be.
What about ICAO phrasing?
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What about ICAO phrasing?
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Guess what....CANADA IS BILINGUAL. Quebec is not its own country, it is a province of CANADA. Which makes it a BILINGUAL PROVINCE. If Quebec wants to be its own country perfect, then we can make Canada a Non-Bilingual country and save us a lot of money. You are part of Canada, and Canada is Bilingual, so Quebec is Bilingual.navajo wrote:Quebec (which is not a bilingual province)
Well officially have no idea what you talking about now. If you actually flew in countries outside Canada you would realize that is completely not true. As other people have pointed out, and from myself who has flown in multiple countries where English isn't even a national language, but English was spoken on the radio. Yes there was some, small amount, of there own language sometimes, but as soon as someone spoke English everyone switched gears and spoke English.Buzz Lightyear wrote: I'm sorry to say but general aviation in France is in French, in Spain in Spanish, in Italy in Italian, get my point?
So stop trying to say that you can do it in Quebec because the rest of the world does it, because they don't. The ICAO language is English, and not because political reasons, but because as a group of Internation Countries, they decided that the English language would be the best International Language.
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Can't speak for overseas, but if you go down to central america you will hear a hell of a lot more spanish on the radio than english, and that includes general aviation and commercial operators. You will also be lucky if you can understand what anyone is saying when they actually do try to speak english.
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I spent the last ten or so years flying in Europe and most of the countries speak English for air traffic control.
Some of the smaller countries sometimes have some poor english speaking controllers but using ICAO phraseology generally keeps things reasonably easy to communicate effectively.
Some of the smaller countries sometimes have some poor english speaking controllers but using ICAO phraseology generally keeps things reasonably easy to communicate effectively.
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Then why would it be the French speaking pilots having to switch language for English speaking pilots? Why don't the English speaking pilot learn French (in this bilingual country) and speak it when flying in Quebec?rd1331 wrote:
Guess what....CANADA IS BILINGUAL. Quebec is not its own country, it is a province of CANADA. Which makes it a BILINGUAL PROVINCE. If Quebec wants to be its own country perfect, then we can make Canada a Non-Bilingual country and save us a lot of money. You are part of Canada, and Canada is Bilingual, so Quebec is Bilingual.
You are part of Canada, Canada is bilingual, then be prepared to speak French in a bilingual province or a French province. Why should Roger the PPL learn to speak English for you, when you fly in Quebec? You are the Commercial Pilot, the one earning money to fly. You should be the one doing the Professionnal Development.
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How about pilots transiting Quebec airspace should they all learn French?
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I think the story goes something like this......MichaelP wrote:But depending on where you were they could either be very very friendly (Munich and Augsburg) or very arrogant (Stuttgart)...
In the 70s-80s the ground controllers at Munich were notorious for having little patience with pilots. The controllers expected pilots to be familiar the aerodrome layout and to taxi with minimum delay and assistance. One day a British Airways flight (having just cleared the active and gotten clearance to the gate) was taking a bit too long to get moving, so the controller chirpped up:
"Speedbird 9015, why are you not taxiing?"
"Munich Ground, Speedbird 9015, just checking the aerodrome chart"
Controller (with irritation in his voice): "Speedbird 9015, have you not been to Munich before?"
To which the BA captain replied "Yes Sir, several times, in 1944. But this is the first time I've landed here."
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I think AuxBatOn is right. How hard is it to learn the 50 or so french words frequently used in aviation ? I do not understand how an Airline Pilot or a CPL can fly in a bilingual country without being proficient in both official languages.AuxBatOn wrote:rd1331 wrote:
You are part of Canada, Canada is bilingual, then be prepared to speak French in a bilingual province or a French province. Why should Roger the PPL learn to speak English for you, when you fly in Quebec? You are the Commercial Pilot, the one earning money to fly. You should be the one doing the Professionnal Development.
"ne pas des francias" that's seriously weak....I think you might be the problem.
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Non mais, ça va-tu finir un jour????
At least, if you want to talk about that issue, pleeeeaaaaase revive the old threads...
Too much is like not enough!
At least, if you want to talk about that issue, pleeeeaaaaase revive the old threads...
Too much is like not enough!
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If you can reasonably expect that there won't be conflicts because of language issues then no.Cat Driver wrote:How about pilots transiting Quebec airspace should they all learn French?
If you're transiting VFR and not landing at any uncontrolled airfields, there is no reason to believe there should be conflicts due to language issues.
If you're IFR, you'll be controlled for the most part, and if you do go in class G airspace IMC, there are little chances of having private pilots in that airspace. If you're in class G airspace VMC, then see the previous para. As long as you don't expect to land at an uncontrolled airfield, you should be good to go.
Now, if you're transiting (IFR/VFR) and expect to land at an uncontrolled airfield, maybe you should do your lessons and learn the few words required to understand what's going on in French.
I think that uncontrolled airfields are where the potential for language issues is the biggest because there can be quite many airplanes around said airfield and they are all in the same vicinity at close altitudes.
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I don't see what the big deal is. Just look out the window, and if you see another plane, don't hit it.
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Actually you are 100% wrong. Canada is bilingual BECAUSE Quebec is solely french. The ONLY bilingual province in Canada is New Brunswick. If Quebec was legally bilingual Canada would be Legally english because EVERY province spoke it. Since Canada has one province that does not legally speak english it is therefore bilingual.Guess what....CANADA IS BILINGUAL. Quebec is not its own country, it is a province of CANADA. Which makes it a BILINGUAL PROVINCE. If Quebec wants to be its own country perfect, then we can make Canada a Non-Bilingual country and save us a lot of money. You are part of Canada, and Canada is Bilingual, so Quebec is Bilingual.
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Because it's an "ICAO" standard!! Nobody is slagging the french language or culture, it's sometimes the offense that the french take, everybody across the world accepts it.
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Never mind QC, flown around YXU lately or other flight school trying to cash in on the booming market ?
it's tuffer locally than in QC I find.
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it's tuffer locally than in QC I find.
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Do you guys know that there are more people in the world who speak Chinese as native language than English? What would you say if ICAO decides to force all comm to be in Chinese, for everyone, for a safety purpose?
For as long as it is "your" language that is standard in aviation, it's easy for you to complaint about another language in use. But just imagine that you need to learn Chinese...
AND...
As someone said before, it is probably only at uncontrolled airport without FSS where it can be a problem. If the other pilot doesn't understand nor speaks English, you won't be able to communicate with each other.
My main language is French, and I am able to communicate fluently in English, as most of the rest of Quebecers. And believe me, we are also often deceived by the way some people can't speak English. That is wrong, especially for professionnal pilots.
For as long as it is "your" language that is standard in aviation, it's easy for you to complaint about another language in use. But just imagine that you need to learn Chinese...
AND...
As someone said before, it is probably only at uncontrolled airport without FSS where it can be a problem. If the other pilot doesn't understand nor speaks English, you won't be able to communicate with each other.
My main language is French, and I am able to communicate fluently in English, as most of the rest of Quebecers. And believe me, we are also often deceived by the way some people can't speak English. That is wrong, especially for professionnal pilots.
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In that hypothetical situation, then yes, we'd all have to learn Chinese.zither wrote:What would you say if ICAO decides to force all comm to be in Chinese, for everyone, for a safety purpose?
In reality, English is the ICAO standard. So shouldn't the standard be followed?
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Hmmmm, let me think about this for a moment.
I have flown many years in Quebec.
I was the only English only speaking pilot flying in the air show circuit as an employee of " The French Flying Legends " in Europe.
Furthermore we also flew ferry flights all over the world and I can't even recall how many different languages were the language of the countries we flew in.
I am uni lingual English and never really had a problem with language anywhere on earth because the international language of aviation is English.....therefore it was not necessary for me to learn any other language to safely fly in any of the countries I flew in.
The French English arguments in Canada are political.
I have flown many years in Quebec.
I was the only English only speaking pilot flying in the air show circuit as an employee of " The French Flying Legends " in Europe.
Furthermore we also flew ferry flights all over the world and I can't even recall how many different languages were the language of the countries we flew in.
I am uni lingual English and never really had a problem with language anywhere on earth because the international language of aviation is English.....therefore it was not necessary for me to learn any other language to safely fly in any of the countries I flew in.
The French English arguments in Canada are political.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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I will have to archive this, there are two people in a row who agree with me on a subject as sensitive as this one.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.