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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by redline7921 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:36 pm

1. Those who say "with you." "Edmonton centre F-ABC with you 132.85." He knows you are with him. It is redundant, similar to the 126.7 call containing "conflicting advise".

2. Pilots who insist on parking their aircraft in the same position, same place, every day, regardless of wind or other people who may need to utilize the facilities of the airport. If there are plug-ins and it is -30 you wont be the only one needing them, don't park in the middle blocking them ALL so we need to use a 100' extension cord. See the example below.
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by 767 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:10 pm

into the blue wrote:
:lol: nice one! :wink:
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by mashowski » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:19 pm

Podunk Traffic, Cessna Skyhawk Foxtrot Alpha Bravo Charlie is fifteen miles north at two thousand three hundred, inbound to join the left downwind after crossing overhead the field. Any conflicting traffic for Podunk, please advise Cessna Skyhawk Foxtrot Alpha Bravo Charlie on one twenty two point eight, Podunk.
Hedley, he forgot to say "I'll be overhead at xxx feet to check the windsock, and descend to circuit height on the upwind side of the aerodrome before crossing midfield to join the appropriate downwind"
That's the way it is done in Alberta, what is wrong you guys down east? :D

'Mandatory' transmissions that the flight school teaches to students at High River:
"airborne off of runway 24!" or "clear of the active!" after every touch and go.

'Mandatory' radio transmissions after engine start:
"taxiing for a runup on the ramp!"
followed by:
"taxiing for the active"
followed by
"holding at the hold line" (there is no other traffic in the pattern but that is irrelevant)
followed by
"entering the active for departure to the practice area!"
and then to put the icing on the cake the mandatory cry of joy on breaking the surly bonds:
"clear of the active!!!"


Or how about this one:
"HR traffic this is Cessna 172 CHARLIE (don't forget the Charlie!)-FYYY with you on 123.0, 15 miles to the southwest at 8,500 feet enroute to Springbank on a VFR flight plan, any conflicting please advise."
Followed 5 minutes later by:
"HR traffic this is Cessna 172 C-FYYY with you on 123.0, 15 miles to the northwest at 8,500 feet enroute to Springbank on a VFR flight plan, switching over to 126.7, any conflicting please advise."

And it only gets worse from there, I left out the really good stuff cause it is late and I am getting weary.
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by Cobra64 » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:37 am

mashowski wrote:
student pilots making unnecessary radio calls
I hear all this stuff also, but you have to remember they are student pilots, so a combination of their nerves when using the radio for the first few times, plus trying to do things as they school is telling them creates these calls. I'm sure when you first hit the PTT button your calls weren't anything worth writing home about.
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by 200Above » Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:15 pm

im getting really annoyed with the exploitation of the tip functions at some places.

why do I owe the dude at the Shell a tip when i pumped my own gas, grabbed the door in and out by myself, and selected a pack of gum myself?

why does the dude who gives me a 10 min taxi ride expect to get a tip when he hasnt done anything 'extra ordinary'?

I guess whats worst is these people expect a tip, and if you watch them when they tear your copy of the transaction, they
look disgusted. :evil:

the mere fact these places have the option for tipping on credit card machine is telling me that I should owe this persona tip.
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by TG » Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:51 am

redline7921 wrote:1. Those who say "with you." "Edmonton centre F-ABC with you 132.85." He knows you are with him. It is redundant
ahhhh, come on! give me a break!
Next you are going to say that "good morning" is clogging the frequency too !?
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by mashowski » Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:35 am

I would like to clarify my previous post.
BPF may have jumped to the conclusion that I was criticizing student pilots. Instructors are responsible for the students actions. It is hard to give advice to students when their instructors are telling them the opposite.
All of the radio transmissions that I was referring to are being made by flight instructors and commercial pilots.
When I talked to Transport Canada about it, they gave it their blessing, they actually encourage this type of verbosity.
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by linecrew » Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:29 am

mashowski wrote:When I talked to Transport Canada about it...

You're kidding...you actually took the time to complain about this to the feds? :roll:
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by Nark » Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:54 am

200Above wrote:im getting really annoyed with the exploitation of the tip functions at some places...

I totally agree. If I had a nickel for every time I heard "that was an awesome flight, what a great flight"...
Adding 2-3 minutes in order to fly OVER a glacier instead of a miles away from it is going out of my way. I do this often.

I do get tipped, but not as often as the cabbies who drop the pax off.
The best tip I ever received was a mint chocolate from a hotel room pillow; I love Aussie ladies.
Second only to a six pack of beer. The note is still on my fridge.

Yesterday I took a couple of Germans over Glacier Bay National park, after I dropped them off they asked, "do you want a tip?" Who would say no to that? I have no scruple's, I'm a pilot after all.

Another pet peeve:

Pilots who jump all over other pilots for their technique. Especially those who have never flown outside of a 5000' paved environment.
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by cjpilot » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:05 am

why do I owe the dude at the Shell a tip when i pumped my own gas, grabbed the door in and out by myself
At Esso the doors open automatically when you walk up to them :wink:
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by whiteguy » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:23 am

Pilots always complaining about other pilots procedures/radio calls/canceling IFR even though they are following company SOPs!!!!!!!
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by fleet16b » Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:22 am

Hawkerflyer wrote:VFR "weekend warriors" who continuously break rules and cause confusion to other professional pilots. These people fly with no regards for safety of others nor themselves!
That piss poor attitude is exactly why people like you should not be Prof pilots or instructors.
After 30 + years of flying, I have seen just as many issues caused by supposedly Prof. pilots as weekend pilots.
I've come across many Prof. Pilots that think it's their God Given right to fly and that they come before the hobby pilots which is ofcourse "bulls@#t
That said they think they can bend the rules any way they want and don't have to answer to anyone. New "500 hr wonder" instructors are the worse ! and some 10k pilots are just atrocious.
BOTH groups have their share of the good and the bad , we are all human in the end
Hawkerflyer maybe you should try getting over yourself just a little. Remember you did not start out as a Prof. Pilot
Your attitude does nothing to help or improve the industry.
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by canadapilot924 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:35 am

[quote="mashowski"][quote]
'Mandatory' transmissions that the flight school teaches to students at High River:
"airborne off of runway 24!" or "clear of the active!" after every touch and go.

Continuous Circuits (CAR 602.102) C) Report when clear of the surface on which the
aircraft has landed.


"entering the active for departure to the practice area!"


Departure (CAR 602.100)
A) Before moving onto the take-off surface,
report the pilot-in-command’s departure
intentions
on the MF or ATF frequency. If
a delay is encountered, broadcast intentions
and expected length of delay, then rebroadcast
departure intentions prior to moving onto the
take-off surface;

Sorry, can't see what your problem is.
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by nofate » Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:10 am

When you are trying to dock a float plane and someone is on the dock who you assume is going to grab the strut and hold the plane until you get out to tie it up just stands there and does nothing while the wind carries you away from the dock.

Lesson learned. Unless you know the people on the dock don't assume they know or care about helping to dock float planes.
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by Janszoon » Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:24 am

Previous pilots who leave garbage in the aircraft, or leave bugs spattered all over the windscreen, or straps and equipment strewn about the cabin.
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by iflyforpie » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:12 pm

canadapilot924 wrote:
mashowski wrote:
'Mandatory' transmissions that the flight school teaches to students at High River:
"airborne off of runway 24!" or "clear of the active!" after every touch and go.

Continuous Circuits (CAR 602.102) C) Report when clear of the surface on which the
aircraft has landed.


"entering the active for departure to the practice area!"


Departure (CAR 602.100)
A) Before moving onto the take-off surface,
report the pilot-in-command’s departure
intentions
on the MF or ATF frequency. If
a delay is encountered, broadcast intentions
and expected length of delay, then rebroadcast
departure intentions prior to moving onto the
take-off surface;

Sorry, can't see what your problem is.
Not sure who said what, but you only need two calls for continuous circuits; a downwind call and a final call. You do not need to say 'rolling', 'off runway XX', 'cross wind', 'base', and certainly not the highly confusing 'clear of active' (meaning you have lifted off the maneuvering surface, not taxied off the runway).

Other aircraft should know your intentions after you say 'Alpha Bravo Charlie right downwind 15 touch and go Sumspot' and 'Alpha Bravo Charlie final 15 touch and go Sumspot'.

Notwithstanding those regs(oh no, I've read too many CARS!! :rolleyes: ) make any transmission you feel you need to if there is conflictications.... Am I going to be crucified if I hear an initial call up and I report my position as base, crosswind, or rolling?
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by iflyforpie » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:14 pm

Back to pet peeves.... :)

WRT radiotelephony, procedures, airmanship, etc, my biggest pet peeve is obsessive compulsive pilots who can't stand when you don't do things 'their way' even if you are practicing good airmanship and the like.

From my observations in my short time in aviation, I've found there are three types of rules...

First, there are the hard rules, which are written into law, where you will be killed or seriously hurt, crash or badly damage an aircraft, or just get violated for whatever reason if you decide to break them. These must be followed.

Then there are the 'tips and tricks'. These are the tried and true methods that savvy old-timers have passed on to us young-uns to make our lives easier and keep equipment running nicely and profitably, plus the whole 'safe isn't always legal and legal isn't always safe' thing. This was probably my biggest eye opener entering aviation.

Lastly, there are the ideas that pilots always seem to figure out either by accident or by ego. These are things that seem good at the time and offer enough empirical evidence on their positive effects that they might win some converts. Some of these ideas might actually be really good, in which case they may become part of the industry standard tips and tricks. Many are really bad, in which case new legislation might be in order to prevent their further use (if there isn't legislation already, the regs are pretty thorough).

So all you new pilots out there, make sure you know the difference. Massless granny gas falls into the third category and so does most of 767's 'Bible of Flight Instruction'. :smt040
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by shawnerickson » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:21 pm

Half-assed pilots that think they are engineers.

Half-assed engineers that think they are pilots.
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by niss » Tue Jun 08, 2010 1:39 pm

Someone once told me that the biggest threat to an aircraft is a pilot with a phillips screw driver.
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by lilfssister » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:37 pm

iflyforpie wrote: conflictications....
People who make up words :mrgreen: :lol: :rolleyes:
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by Lurch » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:58 pm

canadapilot924 wrote:
mashowski wrote:
'Mandatory' transmissions that the flight school teaches to students at High River:
"airborne off of runway 24!" or "clear of the active!" after every touch and go.

Continuous Circuits (CAR 602.102) C) Report when clear of the surface on which the
aircraft has landed.


"entering the active for departure to the practice area!"


Departure (CAR 602.100)
A) Before moving onto the take-off surface,
report the pilot-in-command’s departure
intentions
on the MF or ATF frequency. If
a delay is encountered, broadcast intentions
and expected length of delay, then rebroadcast
departure intentions prior to moving onto the
take-off surface;

Sorry, can't see what your problem is.
People who use the CARs to try and prove a point but don't actually include the full quote that shows they are wrong.

The CARs from above only covers MFs not uncontrolled APs, which was being discussed.

There are no legal requirements for radio calls while operating at uncontrolled APs, because there is no requirement to have a radio while flying at an uncontrolled AP.

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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by Lurch » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:00 pm

iflyforpie wrote: Massless granny gas falls into the third category and so does most of 767's 'Bible of Flight Instruction'. :smt040
+1

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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by double-j » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:04 pm

When someone rolls up beside you in a public urinal and starts 'chatting' to you.


Total dick move.


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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by Big Pistons Forever » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:26 pm

Pet Peeve: The fact that 767 and I share a common qualification....we both have a flight instructor rating :oops:
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Re: Pet Peeves

Post by High Flyin » Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:01 am

Big Pistons Forever wrote:Pet Peeve: The fact that 767 and I share a common qualification....we both have a flight instructor rating :oops:

The fact that after I spent $7,000 on my instructor rating, I'm still going to have to wait a year before I get my first job and make an average below minimum wage!
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