Nov 23 1963 Trans Canada Air Lines DC-8 crash in Quebec

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Nov 23 1963 Trans Canada Air Lines DC-8 crash in Quebec

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Trans Canada Air Lines DC-8-54F CF-TJN aircraft was delivered new 9 months earlier . . .

TCAL Flight 831 from Montreal (YUL) to Toronto (YYZ) was cleared for Toronto at FL290 and was instructed to report climbing through 3000 and 7000 feet. The DC-8 started the takeoff roll on runway 06 at 18:28. Last radio contact with the fight was when the crew reported climbing through 3000 feet, acknowledging a clearance for a left turn to St. Eustache. The aircraft then deviated from its normal flight path about 55deg to the right and began a quick descent. At 18:33, 16.9mls from the airport, the DC-8 struck the ground at a speed of 470-485 knots descending in an angle of about 55deg (+/- 7deg). It was found that the pitch trim compensator actuator was in the extended position and the horizontal stabilizer at setting of 1.9deg nose down on the right hand side and between 1.6deg and 1.7deg nose down on the left hand side.

PROBABLE CAUSE: "The probable cause of this accident could not be determined with certainty. Certain possible causes which were put forward could not be ruled out: 1) Icing of the Pitot system; 2) Failure of the vertical gyro; 3) An unprogrammed and unnoticed extension of the Pitch Trim Compensator."

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Re: Nov 23 1963 40th anniversary of TCAL DC-8 crash in Quebe

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Should be 50th Anniversary.
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Nov 29, 2012

Photo from airliners.net
Photograher Pierre Langlois


TCA DC-8 CF-TJN
Fin #814
Bermuda 1963


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Re: Nov 23 1963 40th anniversary of TCAL DC-8 crash in Quebe

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Antique Pilot wrote:Should be 50th Anniversary.
Yes, November of next year it will be! :)
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Re: Nov 23 1963 50th anniversary of TCAL DC-8 crash in Quebe

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Getting a little creepy here, guys. Like the G650
that someone flew to the prairies. Reminds me
of the people that get the apps on their iPhones
to track celebrities in real time, so that you can
surprise them when they're buying diapers for
their kids.
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Re: Nov 23 1963 50th anniversary of TCAL DC-8 crash in Quebe

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As both threads were pretty self explanatory, I guess clicking on the link anyway without any interest, is like the guys that look at the photos taken by the people that get the apps on their iPhones to track celebrities in real time, so that you can surprise them when they're buying diapers for their kids.

Just saying . . . :smt040
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Re: Nov 23 1963 50th anniversary of TCAL DC-8 crash in Quebe

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bizjets101 wrote:As both threads were pretty self explanatory,
I still don't get the point. The thread title just raises more questions. Is it a math quiz?
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Colonel Sanders wrote:Getting a little creepy here, guys.
Speaking of creepy, the Captain's license number was 666? :shock:

"Capt . John Douglas Snider was 47 1/2 years old and held an airline pilot licence No . AT-666..."

http://epe.lac-bac.gc.ca/100/200/301/pc ... 64-eng.pdf
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Re: Nov 23 1963 Trans Canada Air Lines DC-8 crash in Quebec

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Hey man, don't be dissin' my number:

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I really like that aircraft, and not just because
it was previously involved in a fatal accident.

It tried to kill me, the first time I flew it, too.
Stick jammed in a vertical downline. Made
the landing interesting.

I like an airplane with character.


And, here's my prop - we've been great friends
for over 40 years. Right from the TC CAWIS
website:

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Colonel Sanders wrote:Hey man, don't be dissin' my number:

I really like that aircraft, and not just because
it was previously involved in a fatal accident.
It's still the wrong colour for that name!
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I have not read that book for awhile but I think there was a red horse.

Pale, black, red and a fourth. Or was the pale one separate from the four?

Edit: I just looked. The pale one is last. And the first one is white. Weird, what's the difference between white and pale?
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Pale in horse terms is usually used to decribe a Palomino. In layman's terms a really light buff or beige color.
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It's still the wrong colour for that name!
Not really. Everyone here thinks I am the most arrogant
pilot in the entire country (if not the entire world), but I am
the only airshow pilot in the history of aviation to NOT
arrogantly put his own name on the airplane he flies - instead,
I put the airplane's name, which I think is pretty darned humble.

If you do a little reading, you will discover that Death rides
a pale horse. Considering the previous fatal accident that
it was involved in, I think "pale horse" is a very appropriate
name for that airplane. Also, the fatal accident rate for airshow
pilots is a staggering 5% per year. Again, appropriate.
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I thought you were suggesting as the rider you are death.
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Re: Nov 23 1963 Trans Canada Air Lines DC-8 crash in Quebec

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The pale horse is not beige. Nor red.

http://www.raptureready.com/featured/gi ... vsix4.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horse ... Apocalypse

Death doesn't die either, he brings death.

I sure does look nice in red though!
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