Whiteout in the logbook?

This forum has been developed to discuss aviation related topics.

Moderators: sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako, lilfssister, North Shore, I WAS Birddog

Jack In The Box
Rank 4
Rank 4
Posts: 238
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:51 pm

Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by Jack In The Box »

So...a few years ago I stupidly decided it was a good idea to try and make my logbook look more tidy by using white out to fix a mistake-several mistakes actually.

So my question is, now that it's about that time to update the logbook for TC...is this an unacceptable practice? I realize I should have just crossed my mistakes out (thanks, for those who would like to point this out to me...:P). Am I totally boned? Do I need to get a new logbook and start over? Or is there a way around that.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Colonel Sanders
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 7512
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:17 pm
Location: Over Macho Grande

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by Colonel Sanders »

I use whiteout. I'm sure some people will
get really angry about it.
---------- ADS -----------
 
flyinthebug
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1684
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:36 am
Location: CYPA

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by flyinthebug »

I have white out on more than one of the pages of my logbook(s). It never affected my ability to get a rating or higher licence at any point in my career. TC expects a little white out here and there. As long as your time is legit, white out wont be a problem (other than as the Colonel said, you may upset some bureaucrat at TC for 30 secs lol).
---------- ADS -----------
 
cncpc
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1632
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 10:17 am

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by cncpc »

flyinthebug wrote:I have white out on more than one of the pages of my logbook(s). It never affected my ability to get a rating or higher licence at any point in my career. TC expects a little white out here and there. As long as your time is legit, white out wont be a problem (other than as the Colonel said, you may upset some bureaucrat at TC for 30 secs lol).
I'm doing a court case out in Ontario this year where the guy did about 10 hours of Navajo training with a guy and then when he needed Navajo PIC time, he whited out the flights with the trainer and pilot and him as dual, and switched the column entries. Problem is you can see what was written under the whiteout.

Not an issue of pilot time, but one of integrity.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Shiny Side Up
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 5335
Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:02 pm
Location: Group W bench

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by Shiny Side Up »

Colonel Sanders wrote:I use whiteout. I'm sure some people will
get really angry about it.
White out in log books!!!



:wink:

Nah its cool, do whatever you feel. I'm taking more the stance that pilot logbooks are more just works of art anymore. If a pilot somehow managed not to eat his, I think we can call it a win these days.

Journey logs on the other hand...
---------- ADS -----------
 
justwork
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 481
Joined: Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:59 am
Location: East Coast

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by justwork »

I have some in mine and at each correction I initialed and put *corrected to show true. TC never said anything when it was submitted for my AA. It's also never been "certified" by any employer, I didn't even know that was a thing people did.
---------- ADS -----------
 
gustind
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 408
Joined: Fri May 18, 2007 8:16 am
Location: Researching
Contact:

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by gustind »

Can we please bring back the "what colour do you use in your logbook" thread? I really missed that one.
---------- ADS -----------
 
jump154
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 421
Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:50 pm

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by jump154 »

gustind wrote:Can we please bring back the "what colour do you use in your logbook" thread? I really missed that one.
You may jest, I've learned this year that according to the DND everything has to be filled out in blue.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
1000 HP
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1090
Joined: Sat Sep 18, 2004 8:00 am
Location: South-East Asia

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by 1000 HP »

I own my pilot log book and I use whiteout. I occasionally correct a time or location. If that's a problem for somebody, it's their problem not mine. I like the nice whiteout pens of today they work very well. The old liquid stuff always got me light headed after several changes :rolleyes:
---------- ADS -----------
 
Jack In The Box
Rank 4
Rank 4
Posts: 238
Joined: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:51 pm

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by Jack In The Box »

Thanks guys! That's relieving to know. I spent a lot of money on my logbook and got my name embossed in and everything. Yea, I know. Im a retard.

Was nervous there for a sec.

P.S. I only use black pen, and only tipped pens that say "pilot" on them. ;)
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Taco Joe
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 71
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:33 am
Location: RONTO

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by Taco Joe »

jump154 wrote:
gustind wrote:Can we please bring back the "what colour do you use in your logbook" thread? I really missed that one.
You may jest, I've learned this year that according to the DND everything has to be filled out in blue.
I believe that's only a BS cadet rule that a clerk in Air Ops made because he couldn't figure out if the paysheet he was processing was a photocopy or original. DND couldn't care less what colour you write in.
---------- ADS -----------
 
CID
Rank 11
Rank 11
Posts: 3544
Joined: Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:43 am
Location: Canada

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by CID »

I don't think you'll have a problem. Whiteout is such an obvious thing to spot. i don't think anyone will try to nail you for cooking the books. If you amended numbers etc using a pen of the same colour (for example) that would be another story. Remember the Nation Air debacle. That was a clear example of cooking the books.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/rec ... 19910711-0

If you cease the practice and use the accepted method of hatching the old entry so the mistake is still readable everything should be OK. If TC ever asks, just tell them you realized your mistake and corrected it.

You'd be amazed how understanding they can be if you come clean.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
dashx
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1227
Joined: Sat Dec 23, 2006 11:51 am

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by dashx »

I own my pilot log book
So you paid off the mortgage?
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Colonel Sanders
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 7512
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:17 pm
Location: Over Macho Grande

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by Colonel Sanders »

If you cease the practice
Nope. It's me and whiteout forever, baby.

I'm sure some people will get really angry about it.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Expat
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2383
Joined: Sat Jan 29, 2005 3:58 am
Location: Central Asia

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by Expat »

As an aside, my PPL and CPL instructor educated me to maintain a pristine logbook. As he said, it shows that you are meticulous, tidy, and that looks good in an interview. I think he made sense. I got in the habit of using separate sheets in CASARA. Then, when the flying is done for the weekend, copy everything neatly into the logbook. :smt040
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Colonel Sanders
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 7512
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:17 pm
Location: Over Macho Grande

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by Colonel Sanders »

Image

Does CASARA get upset about whiteout in the
logbooks when they are ramping people?
---------- ADS -----------
 
costermonger
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 881
Joined: Fri Apr 15, 2005 7:52 pm

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by costermonger »

Man I want to know what's behind the blacked out portion of that picture.

Maybe this is why some people get so upset about white out. The insatiable curiosity it creates.
---------- ADS -----------
 
HHI
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 43
Joined: Mon May 18, 2009 5:00 pm
Location: CZBB

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by HHI »

Colonel Sanders wrote:Image

Does CASARA get upset about whiteout in the
logbooks when they are ramping people?
Don't know what got under your skin about CASARA. :?:

We don't ramp check anyone but we do make sure our OWN documents are current and onboard before a CASARA flight.

Henry
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Colonel Sanders
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 7512
Joined: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:17 pm
Location: Over Macho Grande

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by Colonel Sanders »

I want to know what's behind the blacked out portion
heh heh heh
---------- ADS -----------
 
Tim
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1026
Joined: Mon May 15, 2006 6:16 pm

Re: Whiteout in the logbook?

Post by Tim »

I don't use whiteout in mine, I don't care what people do in their's :-)

Legal documents may be required to be in blue or black pen and no whiteout. A quick Google search will tell you that is sometimes the case (depending on jurisdiction). I never heard of anyone that had trouble though, it's more of me liking my logbook looking a certain way (read: OCD.) When I instructed I never made my students follow my method.

Love the pic colonel! I'm just imagining someone turning beet red as the pound out a response :-D
---------- ADS -----------
 
Post Reply

Return to “General Comments”