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Timel said
Foreign workers are accepted if there are needs, like in agriculture where no Canadians want to work anymore.
They don't want to work in agriculture for the salaries being offered. Salaries have to increase to attract workers, but it's hard to raise wages when employers can do an end run around this by bringing in cheaper foreign workers.
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Exactly. Was just listening to a fast food industry spokesperson on Thursday trying to frame unemployement as a problem of people who choose not to work. I've seen Tim Hortons in Grande Prairie paying $15 an hour, because that's what they had to do to get people working there. And it worked. But you aren't going to have wages rise to meet demand when you can simply claim no one wants the job and bring in Temporary Foreign Workers. The program makes sense for the purpose it was designed for: No Canadians available. It does not make sense when it gets hijacked by companies looking to lower wages.
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Rex Murphy on CBC today, subject; FOREIGN WORKERS! OK, here is you chance folks, you can read all the posts on Av Canada along with the regulations being ignored by Lisa Rait, so now is the time to put up or shut up, the phone calls are free so even a Porter/ Sky Regional pilot can afford to make a call!
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I got through and gave a quick summary of the hiring of foreign helicopter pilots. Hopefully I get a call-back.
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marc.garneau@parl.gc.ca ( Marc Garneau a liberal deputy and used to be astronaut, it could be interresting to write to him)

http://www.npd.ca/content/contactez-nous( npd deputy) and give an other shoot at harper too, if someone already has a list all made up, I don't mind writing to all of them too, medias too if it needs.

If the topic is comming back it's a good timing for sure.
If everybody gets the same list of email it might be more efficient
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Speak up boys and girls.

This first link is particularly applicable for anybody who was qualified for and applied for a position at a company known to use foreign pilots.

http://www.edsc.gc.ca/eng/jobs/foreign_ ... ndex.shtml
integrity@servicecanada.gc.ca

Jason Kenney - Labour Minister
jason.kenney@parl.gc.ca

Jinny Sims - NDP Labour critic
Jinny.Sims@parl.gc.ca

Find your MP using your postal code.
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Compilat ... x?Menu=HOC
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ahramin wrote:But you aren't going to have wages rise to meet demand when you can simply claim no one wants the job and bring in Temporary Foreign Workers. The program makes sense for the purpose it was designed for: No Canadians available. It does not make sense when it gets hijacked by companies looking to lower wages.
Doesn't this imply there shouldn't be any foreign workers anywhere in Canada ?

I'm pretty sure you could fill up any job vacancy if you started paying $ 1000/hour. For any job.
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+1 for writing to the politicals.
I tweeted Marc Garneau, told me he wrote to governement in the past about it.

ALPA is having the same fight in the USA and doing it right now.

http://www.alpa.org/Portals/Alpa/PressR ... _14.35.htm
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timel wrote:if someone already has a list all made up, I don't mind writing to all of them too, medias too if it needs.
It took me a little while to get a list put together since the last cabinet shuffle. I don't recommend copying the whole list into one email and BCc'ing everyone. The servers will think you are a spammer. Don't forget to contact the CIC TFW snitch line at Phone: 1-800-367-5693 or Email: integrity@servicecanada.gc.ca

stephen.harper@parl.gc.ca
Parliamentary secretary to the minister of industry: Mike Lake Mike.Lake@parl.gc.ca
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Parliamentary secretary to the minister of Justice Bob Dechert bob.dechert@parl.gc.ca
Parliamentary secretary to the minister of Labour Cathy McLeod cathy.mcleod.c1@parl.gc.ca
Parliamentary secretary to the minister of Employment and Social Development Scott Armstrong scott.armstrong@parl.gc.ca
Parliamentary secretary to the minister of Citizenship and Immigration Costas Menegakis Costas.Menegakis.C1@parl.gc.ca

Minister of Justice Peter Gordon MacKay peter.mackay@parl.gc.ca
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Minister of Labour Kellie Leitch Kellie.Leitch@parl.gc.ca
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NDP Deputy Critic for Industry Anne Minh-Thu Quach AnneMinh-Thu.Quach@parl.gc.ca ** French

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David McGuinty - Transport david.mcguinty@parl.gc.ca
Massimo Pacetti - Small Business and Tourism massimo.pacetti@parl.gc.ca
Judy Sgro - Industry judy.sgro@parl.gc.ca
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The Hon. Shelly Glover shelly.glover@parl.gc.ca

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James Moore james.moore@parl.gc.ca
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I have contacted my MP and initiated some action there. I'll start writing to those on the list - thanks BE-20.

OK who is helping out on this?

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digits_ wrote:
ahramin wrote:But you aren't going to have wages rise to meet demand when you can simply claim no one wants the job and bring in Temporary Foreign Workers. The program makes sense for the purpose it was designed for: No Canadians available. It does not make sense when it gets hijacked by companies looking to lower wages.
Doesn't this imply there shouldn't be any foreign workers anywhere in Canada ?

I'm pretty sure you could fill up any job vacancy if you started paying $ 1000/hour. For any job.
Actually no. It doesn't matter that we pay doctors in this country fairly well, there are more positions than there are qualified doctors. While a large increase in pay will certainly net us a few more doctors (eventually) that would otherwise have become lawyers, the real problem with the lack of doctors does not stem from pay. Paying doctors $1000 an hour would not solve the current shortage.

If you paid $1000 an hour for burger flippers, yes you'll fill the position. If every burger joint is paying $1000 an hour, then lots of well paid professionals will quit to flip burgers, and then you'll have a shortage of those, and then you'll have to raise wages there to $2000 an hour, and then you'll be short of burger flippers, and then ...

Currently there is a shortage of burger flippers in certain places in this country because you just can't get people to move there at any wage that a burger joint is able to pay. Most burger flippers in Victoria are not going to move to Fort MacMurray even if you double their wage. In this case it makes sense to open up the TFW program to allow the burger joint in Fort Mac to import TFWs. Incidentally those TFWs will likely be getting a higher wage there than the Canadian burger flipper in Victoria. It's not an ideal solution, there are problems, but I don't see a realistic one that's better.

But when the burger joints in Victoria are paying so little that the available burger flippers can't be bothered to work there, it doesn't make sense to import TFWs in order to allow them to keep the pay at minimum wage. If raising the wage by $1 an hour will fix your personnel problem, you don't need TFWs. If raising your wage $10 an hour won't fix your problem, it's time to think about allowing TFWs.

It's more about working conditions than wages though. It has been demonstrated time and again that when people have more to lose (TFWs that are reliant on a single job to keep them in the country), those people get exploited. Rather than paying less, the companies that do a TFW runaround to avoid hiring Canadians are far more likely to do so in order to avoid following the labour laws in this country.
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It seems someone caught the attention of Kelly Leitch. Jason Kenny should now be aware according to this article.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/c ... 1.1808795

OTTAWA -- Employers in hard-hit regions of Canada have been hiring temporary foreign workers despite an abundance of domestic job-seekers, government data indicates, while at least two Conservative MPs have privately sounded alarm bells about the besieged federal program.
Temporary foreign workers were the subject of a heated debate Tuesday in the House of Commons, when Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau accused the Conservatives of contributing to joblessness in southwestern Ontario by allowing companies to hire foreign help.
A recent report by the C.D. Howe Institute, a non-partisan public policy think-tank, suggested the program has also spurred joblessness in Alberta and B.C.
"In Windsor, the number of unemployed workers has risen by 40 per cent while the number of foreign workers in the city has grown by 86 per cent," Trudeau said.
"Unemployment in London has risen by 27 per cent while the number of foreign workers has increased by 87 per cent."
In a letter to Liberal MP John McCallum, auditor general Michael Ferguson suggested he was open to conducting a review of the program. Both the Liberals and the NDP have been calling for a probe by the auditor general.
"Let me assure you that we are aware of the current debates concerning the program," Ferguson wrote, adding he would be asking the government "for their information in planning for future audits."
But it was two different letters -- one from Conservative MP Kellie Leitch, now labour minister, and Alberta colleague Blake Richards -- that posed even further embarrassments for the government on what's become one of its most vexatious files.
In an April 2012 dispatch to Transport Minister Denis Lebel, Leitch told of an Air Canada pilot in her riding who "expressed concern regarding the hiring of foreign crews and pilots who are driving down the salaries of Canadian pilots as well as contributing to the unemployment of Canadian pilots."
Lebel referred Leitch to other ministries.
Richards, meantime, wrote to Diane Finley in late 2009, raising similar concerns about CanJet's hiring practices. Finley was then the minister of human resources and skills development.
"At a time when many people are having difficulties finding employment, I am sure you can appreciate why some pilots would be upset that their colleagues have been overlooked by CanJet," he wrote.
Questioned about the letters during question period, Kenney thanked his Conservative colleagues for the information and suggested the government had cracked down on the use of temporary foreign workers in the aviation sector.
"We appreciate such input," Kenney said. "It has helped to inform our tightening up of this program."
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But data compiled by Kenney's department indeed shows that a slew of temporary foreign workers have been hired in recent years in areas struggling with joblessness, including the Maritimes and southwestern Ontario, and in sectors where there is no lack of domestic candidates.
In 2012, for example, the government granted positive labour market opinions for 375 temporary foreign workers in Cape Breton, a region of Nova Scotia that had a 17.5 per cent unemployment rate a year ago.
"They always just want to talk about the employers who are abusing, but at the end of the day this government has failed to take responsibility for the fact that they are the ones that approve the LMOs," said Jinny Sims, the NDP's immigration critic.
"They're saying it has nothing to do with us when it has everything to do with them."
Kenney's office issued a statement challenging the notion that temporary foreign workers contribute to joblessness rates, citing Statistics Canada findings.
"Statistics Canada clearly stated that, 'The effect of temporary foreign workers on the employment estimates is negligible,' representing two per cent of overall employment," spokeswoman Alexandra Fortier said in an email.
In his spring report released Tuesday, the auditor general said Statcan's top survey on job vacancies is too vague and doesn't provide details on the precise locations of labour shortages within the provinces and territories.
Its industry classifications are also too broad and don't provide enough information about jobs that need to be filled, he added.
An employment insurance report by Employment and Skills Development Canada has been ridiculed for including data from Kijiji, an online classified jobs site, to determine labour needs. The practice has since been dropped.
The temporary foreign worker program has ballooned from about 100,000 people in 2002 to as many as 338,000 now. In 2013 alone, Ottawa approved approximately 240,000 temporary foreign workers.
Earlier Tuesday, Kenney and various Conservative MPs defended the government's handling of the program and employers who hire temporary foreign workers in sectors and regions with legitimate labour shortages.
Alberta MP Chris Warkentin accused Trudeau of demonizing employers who have tried but ultimately failed to find domestic employees.
He pointed to McDonald's restaurants in Grand Prairie, Alta., that can't fill dozens of job vacancies despite offering wages higher than the prevailing market rate.
Kenney has temporarily banned restaurants from accessing the program amid a spate of abuse allegations. He's expected to announce a new round of rule restrictions soon, including efforts to beef up the auditing powers of federal inspectors.
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The government has announced that they will be doing a review of the TFW program. Airlines are apparently required to post jobs for six months prior to being approved for an LMO that would pave the way for bringing in foreign pilots for the winter season. It pains me to say that we are only six months away from the winter travel season which means that we are at a critical time for the upcoming season.

If you haven’t taken the time to do some letter writing, now would be a good time to start. I have tried to use some of my dead-heading time to compile a list of talking points from a few news articles that I have read. Maybe these will help in drafting a letter:

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In an April 2012 dispatch to Transport Minister Denis Lebel, Leitch told of an Air Canada pilot in her riding who "expressed concern regarding the hiring of foreign crews and pilots who are driving down the salaries of Canadian pilots as well as contributing to the unemployment of Canadian pilots.”

Richards, meantime, wrote to Diane Finley in late 2009, raising similar concerns about CanJet's hiring practices. Finley was then the minister of human resources and skills development.
"At a time when many people are having difficulties finding employment, I am sure you can appreciate why some pilots would be upset that their colleagues have been overlooked by CanJet," he wrote.

Not only contributing to downward pressure on pilot salaries, but are also blocking Canadian applicants and therefore under-employing many pilots.

“The worst damage to our industry is that they’re using the program as a justification to disqualify pilots that are perfectly capable of doing the job.”

Asking for a type rating is no different than requiring proficiency in Mandarin at a Canadian company.

two years in a row, Canjet applied late for LMO’s. They pressured the government to approve applications as it would cause dire economic loss to the company. This deliberate failure to recruit Canadian workers has happened for several years in a row.

“They’re leveraging the foreign workers against the Canadian pilots, essentially threatening Canadians by saying: ‘We’re paying these guys so little and we’re only going to pay you 10 dollars an hour more. So you either go with the flow here or we’re hiring TFWs and you’re out of work.”’

Kirsten Brazier, a helicopter and fixed-wing pilot in Vancouver, said employers are now telling pilots across the country that they are under-qualified in order to justify hiring cheaper temporary foreign workers.

unemployed workers [in the Windsor region alone] has risen by 40 per cent while the number of foreign workers in the city has grown by 86 per cent

[up to ] 20 per cent of new jobs in this country were being filled by temporary foreign workers? I know kids with degrees who can’t get coffee-shop jobs (We’re Hooked On Imported Labour – May 1).

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The TFW program has not been the last resort, but first choice for some Canadian employers
Only thing standing between Canadians and good jobs is an investment in training. Canada currently lacks OECD countries in that investment. [Canadian pilots, unless already out on EI, will not qualify for new skills upgrade program]
Employers need to raise wages to attract Canadian workers - Cathy Tomlinson speaking about food service workers.

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Flair just posted a 737 FO position that does not require a TR, or time on type. If they can train a candidate, so can everyone else.
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Ok... here is an indexed copy of the 2013 LMO file, with several hundred pages of older applications removed. It is only current to the date of Gille's original 2013 ATIP request - once the new ATIP request is received the remainder of the 2013 LMO's will be added and 2012 removed to that document which is presently being indexed. Any Adobe Reader should be able to access the bookmarks, by clicking on the blue ribbon. Helicopter operators are bold/red. Many LMO applications are for more than one pilot. Check it out, and be prepared to be astounded by some of the applications!

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/105 ... 2May14.pdf

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I am surprised and disappointed in this list. There are some very recognizable names on here.

My plan, to this point had been to address Sunwing and Canjet as they were at the top of the pyramid blocking many Canadian pilots from advancing upward. I'm surprised to see companies on here chopping this industry off at the knees also. Some applications require 500 hours of flying an airplane. Considering 250 is required to get a license, they're trying to say they can't find any newly minted pilots with 3-6 months experience! Survey flying that requires special training? Come on. I have flown survey and it can be summarized as flying an ILS over a long distance at a level altitude. If you have an IFR rating, you have the requisite skills and the fineness can be learned in a couple of hours from my experience.

I may have to re-tweak my campaign.
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Did you see the one for Fast Trucking? a 20 year LMO? Or Canadian Helicopters (the second entry, not the first one) - can't find 7 helicopter pilots with a bare CPLH, Bell 206 endorsement (not PPC) and computer skills???? Seriously?

Or all those ag companies that have been spraying their crops annually with aircraft for the past 30 years but all suddenly find themselves short on time to hire/train someone before the season starts?

And our own government (RCAF) can't find anyone with equivalent qualifications to fly a Herc or Aurora? Seriously? Actually, they planned this all along in order to save money rather than employ Canadians: previously printed in the Ottawa Citizen - http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2012/03/c ... poach.html At least the US Air Force makes use of airline pilots as reservists!

Not all entries on that list that look like duplicates are duplicates - a number of them are actually separate applications. Many companies already employ TFW from previous years.

Bear in mind too that there are 3 months of 2013 applications missing on that list - due to Gilles' ATIP request being made in October.
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I glossed over the RCAF applications, thinking they were just the form to bring in exchange officers. That disgusts me more than ever. I have previously been in the reserves and would love to fly a Herc, C-17 or something in my time off. Had even looked into it in the past.
Does anyone know if the list has been mined for all the pertinent data (company name, job, pay, reason etc)?
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