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They updated the Take Charge Website.snapdawg wrote:I've heard from a few sources that trainees will be getting paid at an earlier point during training. However they do not have the details ironed out regarding exactly when or how much, so they are keeping quiet for now.
Tuition is also gone, as are any of the fees for testing. This is a huge step towards bringing in more potentially successful applicants who may not have been able to survive 6-12 months with no income. It also appears there might be some sort of retroactive pay for those of us who were training effective Jan 1 20164nANT wrote:They updated the Take Charge Website.snapdawg wrote:I've heard from a few sources that trainees will be getting paid at an earlier point during training. However they do not have the details ironed out regarding exactly when or how much, so they are keeping quiet for now.
IFR & VFR
Phase 1: $30,000
Phase 2: $40,700
FSS
Phase 1: $30,000
Phase 2: $35,000
Now I'm really hoping I get a call for my 2nd interview soon.
.From the outside I see how it could be perceived as a non issue. I have the same hope as you regarding the selection process. I honestly don't think it is currently up to par. We are indeed improving the recruiting process but we are far away from something that I would consider suitable. We'll see what happens. Overall I am happy but I just hope the trend to improve the training system will continue and go beyond just paying trainees. Like I said, good for trainees but probably won't increase the success rate.AuxBatOn wrote:If anything, it'll expand the pool of potential candidates, meaning there will be more potentially successful candidates. I just hope your selection is good enough to discriminate between those that have the potential to make it and those that don't.
I don't see how complacency could be an issue...
In my opinion the issue is that if someone is dedicated enough it's very hard to tell if they will actually be able to do the job until late in the training process, after both the student and the training department have invested a lot. I have heard that it is very rare that someone does not pass the generic IFR course in our region, our course lost one person and that was unusual. If you are dedicated enough I believe you can get over this first hurdle, even if that person ends up not being successful at later stages. I'm about a month deep into my specialty course now and I wish that generic had done more to prepare me; the learning curve is a straight up wall. I understand that we need to start somewhere but it should be a steeper ramp up in generic to ease the transition into the real thing, and maybe save people some time.ProfessionalATC wrote:Hey Braun , Why dont you think the selection process is up to par? What effect do you think the new referral system will have on the selection and recruitment process?
I am bit late to answer, sorry! I think the selection process can continue to be improved especially in detecting the personality traits that we are looking for. I don't want to discredit the process completely. It's a lot better than it was before but I don't think we are at a point where we can say ''This is it, we got it''.ProfessionalATC wrote:Hey Braun , Why dont you think the selection process is up to par? What effect do you think the new referral system will have on the selection and recruitment process?
No benefit for employees other than the fact that you helped streamline a friend or family member's application.rspencer38 wrote:Really??? What is stopping people on here from referring applicants? Do current employees get any benefit from the referral?
To add to the employee part, I doubt many employees would refer a friend or family unless they had the aptitude and motivation to succeed in training. To do so without the aforementioned qualities undermines the training process, discredits anyone else you might refer in the future, and costs Nav Canada a significant amount of money w/ no return (assuming the trainee is unsuccessful).Braun wrote:No benefit for employees other than the fact that you helped streamline a friend or family member's application.rspencer38 wrote:Really??? What is stopping people on here from referring applicants? Do current employees get any benefit from the referral?
Also they still have to pass the tests. Just not the online test and phone interview.
It's not like people applying through the referral program automatically get accepted and placed. I mean they need to go through testing as well, including sim time. So while I admire your optimism I think that if an ATC has a friend or family who would like to apply they would most likely refer them. Is that the spirit of the referral program or what I would do? No, probably not, but when you are giving a family member or friend a shot to have an excellent career why would you not refer them and let them go through the process?TheSealRimRady wrote:To add to the employee part, I doubt many employees would refer a friend or family unless they had the aptitude and motivation to succeed in training. To do so without the aforementioned qualities undermines the training process, discredits anyone else you might refer in the future, and costs Nav Canada a significant amount of money w/ no return (assuming the trainee is unsuccessful).Braun wrote:No benefit for employees other than the fact that you helped streamline a friend or family member's application.rspencer38 wrote:Really??? What is stopping people on here from referring applicants? Do current employees get any benefit from the referral?
Also they still have to pass the tests. Just not the online test and phone interview.
But hey, what do I know, I'm just an enroute trainee¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
From the Nav Canada TakeCharge website:bobbert wrote:I know how you feel, I got into the IFR pool last June, and im just waiting with no idea where and if I might get a call.
I wish they could somehow expand on that, being in the pool and just waiting is getting long, especially those that time out. Its hard to plan the next year of your life with little to no pay with just 2 - 3 months notice. I know that if you want it then you will make it work, but at the same time, the wait is just killer
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