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"Mandatory IFR Route" inlcudes a mystery waypoint
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:51 pm
by dougj
I was thoroughly confused when flight planning an IFR flight to St Hubert (CYHU) from the east. The mandatory routing includes ...VIKBU SILVI GORUX OMBRE MAIRE. I could not see GORUX on the LO6 chart. Silvi and Ombre are only 16 miles apart. Gorux does not appear in any plate for CYHU. I assumed it was an old waypoint that had been deleted, with the CFS ifr route not yet updated. We ended up going to Sherbrooke for bladder reasons , but while flying through Montreal Terminal I heard another aircraft "cleared to GORUX".?? I finally found it listed on the OMBRE 6 ARR for CYUL. GORUX and Ombre are only 4 miles apart which seems unneeded. Why would this waypoint be listed as mandatory when no one flying to CYHU could know where it is? Would this be an error on Navcanada's part? What am I missing?
Name withheld so I wouldn't get violated for not putting GORUX in my flight plan!
Re: "Mandatory IFR Route" inlcudes a mystery waypoint
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:05 pm
by photofly
I don’t think you can be sanctioned for not filing a mandatory routing. File direct, and follow the clearance
BTW foreflight has no problem with GORUX, probably the IFR GPS doesn’t either.
Re: "Mandatory IFR Route" inlcudes a mystery waypoint
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:39 am
by Braun
dougj wrote: ↑Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:51 pm
I was thoroughly confused when flight planning an IFR flight to St Hubert (CYHU) from the east. The mandatory routing includes ...VIKBU SILVI GORUX OMBRE MAIRE. I could not see GORUX on the LO6 chart. Silvi and Ombre are only 16 miles apart. Gorux does not appear in any plate for CYHU. I assumed it was an old waypoint that had been deleted, with the CFS ifr route not yet updated. We ended up going to Sherbrooke for bladder reasons , but while flying through Montreal Terminal I heard another aircraft "cleared to GORUX".?? I finally found it listed on the OMBRE 6 ARR for CYUL. GORUX and Ombre are only 4 miles apart which seems unneeded. Why would this waypoint be listed as mandatory when no one flying to CYHU could know where it is? Would this be an error on Navcanada's part? What am I missing?
Name withheld so I wouldn't get violated for not putting GORUX in my flight plan!
Hey there,
GORUX is on the OMBRE ARR to merge the two transitions (South is Turboprop/piston and north is jet) before OKOPO which is the intrail fix for CYUL. Meaning all aicraft should be in sequence by OKOPO. The aircraft you heard being cleared to GORUX was most likely an IFR arrival for CYUL. Just keep in mind also this is outisde montreal terminal airspace and you were on MTL center's frequency. Not all fixes are on the LO charts as it would be overwhelming. GORUX exists in the database but it is possible it isn't represented on the LO as it is, like you said, on the OMBRE arrival.
Re: "Mandatory IFR Route" inlcudes a mystery waypoint
Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:50 pm
by rookiepilot
In the real world, as a light airplane, file direct and take what they give you.
The only place I can recall being given an arrival transition with a ton of included waypoints, is White Plains NY, probably because of the proximity to NYC airspace.