French ATC radio communication
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French ATC radio communication
Not, repeat, not trying to stir up an old topic here regarding the validity of using french on the airwaves in Canada. I am certain it's been brought up many times here.
What do controllers use as a "reminder" that a crew is working with a flight in english or french? ie is there a "tag" on our strip for example? During a recent bit of Quebec flying I had several instances where we missed a call due the controller calling us in french some time after previous calls exchanged in english.
Just wondering. Thanks.
What do controllers use as a "reminder" that a crew is working with a flight in english or french? ie is there a "tag" on our strip for example? During a recent bit of Quebec flying I had several instances where we missed a call due the controller calling us in french some time after previous calls exchanged in english.
Just wondering. Thanks.
We have what are called SFI's (special function indicator I believe) basically it's a letter from A-Z that we can put beside a datatag to show a number of different things. An example is let say two overflights to YYZ, the english one would have a "Z" beside his tag and the french a "W". This way you know what language and where he is going. They also use it to show what runways are assigned and other info.
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French has no place on the ATC airwaves in Canada when it is an accepted standard virtually everywhere else in the world.
It degrades the situational awareness of the english-speaking pilots on frequency, increases complexity for controllers, reduces staffing flexibility, and is just another ridiculous way of reinforcing the paranoia exhibited by Quecebers: Your language is not going to disappear as a result of it not being spoken by a couple hundred pilots on the frequency.
It degrades the situational awareness of the english-speaking pilots on frequency, increases complexity for controllers, reduces staffing flexibility, and is just another ridiculous way of reinforcing the paranoia exhibited by Quecebers: Your language is not going to disappear as a result of it not being spoken by a couple hundred pilots on the frequency.
Well wet runways reduce braking coefficients. Deal with it.the_professor wrote:French has no place on the ATC airwaves in Canada when it is an accepted standard virtually everywhere else in the world.
It degrades the situational awareness of the english-speaking pilots on frequency, increases complexity for controllers, reduces staffing flexibility, and is just another ridiculous way of reinforcing the paranoia exhibited by Quecebers: Your language is not going to disappear as a result of it not being spoken by a couple hundred pilots on the frequency.
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Wet runways are out of our control. Language is not.wingtip wrote:Well wet runways reduce braking coefficients. Deal with it.the_professor wrote:French has no place on the ATC airwaves in Canada when it is an accepted standard virtually everywhere else in the world.
It degrades the situational awareness of the english-speaking pilots on frequency, increases complexity for controllers, reduces staffing flexibility, and is just another ridiculous way of reinforcing the paranoia exhibited by Quecebers: Your language is not going to disappear as a result of it not being spoken by a couple hundred pilots on the frequency.
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You are either not a pro pilot or just racist.
If you were a pro you may have flown to such places as Mexico City, an incredibly busy and bilingual airport yet no mid-airs have resulted from 90% of communications being in spanish....not to mention all other airports in South America.
What about flying in asia?Or Cuba or the Middle-east?Get my point?
You have issues with the french and that's it or else you would be on here saying how dangerous it is flying to Cancun.
You are either not a pro pilot or just racist.
If you were a pro you may have flown to such places as Mexico City, an incredibly busy and bilingual airport yet no mid-airs have resulted from 90% of communications being in spanish....not to mention all other airports in South America.
What about flying in asia?Or Cuba or the Middle-east?Get my point?
You have issues with the french and that's it or else you would be on here saying how dangerous it is flying to Cancun.
Here's a solution.
How about everyone shut the phuck up and deal with it.
Once all you superstar rock star pilots grow up and go international, you'll hear ATC people speaking to comrades in their mother tongue.
OR goto Africa where there is NO ATC in most regions and you'll find you have to fend for yourself with other non english speaking pilots inbound to the same airport.
Short of that, when it comes to 2 languages in Canada EVERYONE JUST SHUT THE PHUCK UP or pick up a language course and learn yourself something new.
Improve yourselves you unilanguage mongrels.
How about everyone shut the phuck up and deal with it.
Once all you superstar rock star pilots grow up and go international, you'll hear ATC people speaking to comrades in their mother tongue.
OR goto Africa where there is NO ATC in most regions and you'll find you have to fend for yourself with other non english speaking pilots inbound to the same airport.
Short of that, when it comes to 2 languages in Canada EVERYONE JUST SHUT THE PHUCK UP or pick up a language course and learn yourself something new.
Improve yourselves you unilanguage mongrels.
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Here in Thailand we all speak English on the radio. The Thais are a proud people, just as the French-Canadians are, but they have the good sense to know that one language is the safest and that's how it's done. I really don't think all the 'rockstars' that fly London-Dubai one week and London-Hong Kong the next week and London-Seoul the next week have been spending all their free time learning Arabic, Cantonese and Korean.
I have spoken to ATC here and they would love nothing more than to speak their native language because it is much easier for them, but they know that it would be a mess for obvious reasons. When they decided to become controllers, they realised that it was a pre-requisite to learn English and they accepted it and try their best. Those of us who fly in this region are thankful for their efforts. I have flown in Quebec myself and I can't say I have the same regard for a lot of ATC there. Whether's it's for convinience, politics or spite that they speak french I don't know but it sure makes life miserable for someone who hasn't 'improved themself' to an acceptable level and is trying to conduct the business of flying in Quebec.
My solution... Stay out of Quebec.. I'm sure they are just as happy about this as I am
I have spoken to ATC here and they would love nothing more than to speak their native language because it is much easier for them, but they know that it would be a mess for obvious reasons. When they decided to become controllers, they realised that it was a pre-requisite to learn English and they accepted it and try their best. Those of us who fly in this region are thankful for their efforts. I have flown in Quebec myself and I can't say I have the same regard for a lot of ATC there. Whether's it's for convinience, politics or spite that they speak french I don't know but it sure makes life miserable for someone who hasn't 'improved themself' to an acceptable level and is trying to conduct the business of flying in Quebec.
My solution... Stay out of Quebec.. I'm sure they are just as happy about this as I am
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I am french, and frankly, I don't feel confortable with the fact that people speaks only french on radio : just for question of safety, nothing else.
In the other hand, facts didn't show that is was more dangerous. French airports are as safe as others, but I can understand how feels our german/british (and son on) neighbours when they arrive here and can't understand what message has been given to the previous AF aircraft.
I am sorry to correct you SAR_YQQ, but in France, controllers only speak english with foreign aircrafts, not with companies having the french flag.
In the other hand, facts didn't show that is was more dangerous. French airports are as safe as others, but I can understand how feels our german/british (and son on) neighbours when they arrive here and can't understand what message has been given to the previous AF aircraft.
I am sorry to correct you SAR_YQQ, but in France, controllers only speak english with foreign aircrafts, not with companies having the french flag.