If your pilot dies you are gonna die ;)
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Yeah you're probably right, but aside from that, how reasonable are the instructions ? Is a controlled crash possible ?
Also, if the likelihood of Joe Schmoe landing a heli without any experience is about 1%, what would you say would be the probability for someone who could at least fly a Cessna ? Is there any transfer of skills at all ?
Also, if the likelihood of Joe Schmoe landing a heli without any experience is about 1%, what would you say would be the probability for someone who could at least fly a Cessna ? Is there any transfer of skills at all ?
Re: If your pilot dies you are gonna die ;)
Maybe not though... there was an accident years ago where an overdue helicopter was found crashed but relatively intact in a remote area. The pilot had passed due to natural causes while flying solo and the a/c just descended and impacted the ground in such a way that it would have been easily survivable, kind of like a run-on crash landing.
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Unfortunately the vast majority of helicopters that I ride around on have the passenger side controls removed so if the pilot croaks so does everyone else on board.
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That's right. Also there was an accident in South America (Canadian Aircraft though) were the pilot died at the control during a slow approach to a landing, nobody on board noticed that the pilot was dead and the Astar went in, hit the ground in a shallow descent and gentle turn at about 60 knots. The 3 passengers survived the crash and the reason why is, they never touched the controls not knowing what was happening but realized at the last second only that something was wrong.I_Drive_Planes wrote:Unfortunately the vast majority of helicopters that I ride around on have the passenger side controls removed so if the pilot croaks so does everyone else on board.
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Considering that I started helicopter training as a long-in-the-tooth fixed wing pilot, I would rate the chances of a successful ending to such a scenario to be near zero.
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Re: If your pilot dies you are gonna die ;)
I have about 2 minutes of R/W time in cruise and it flew exactly like an aeroplane. I never touched the collective, mind you. Let's say you had F/W experience, and someone one the radio to talk you through the landing is there a survivable situation? Head for water and jump?
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I think it would be rather unlikely unless the passenger had a fair amount of knowledge and was used to operating sensitive machinery. I flew an R22 for an hour or so a few years ago for the first time. I had 1000hrs tail dragger time and lots or R/C helicopter time. I found it challenging but not impossible. Forward/turning flight was pretty normal so I would have definitely been able to get to within a few hundred meters of where I wanted to, but could I have put it down without killing myself ?Hard to guess and certainly 50/50 or worse odds. Now after an hour I was able to land, hover and even back-up although not with any great precision but to learn within a few seconds... odds are the pax would be dead or at least wrapped up in the spinning wreckage as it caught a rotor.
Certainly much higher odds of death than if the pilot of a small fixed wing dies on you.
Certainly much higher odds of death than if the pilot of a small fixed wing dies on you.
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Re: If your pilot dies you are gonna die ;)
I have had some time on a helicopter. I would personally would not try to hover it. As co-joe said in forward flight the helicopter reacts a lot like an airplane. I have watch these guys doing auto rotations and run on landings. Because they fly a lot like a l=plane in forward flight i would think one could find their way to a flat open area. Personally i would try a run on landing at low forward speed. However in todays days of CAR's etc it is becoming illegal to have dual controls unless you are operating a 2 crew environment. Chances of flying with a set of duals in are getting slim to zero.
So in short if a Helicopter pilot becomes incopacitated you will die with no duals in it.
So in short if a Helicopter pilot becomes incopacitated you will die with no duals in it.
Re: If your pilot dies you are gonna die ;)
I am going toward 16,000 hrs on helicopters and sometimes, I ask myself how I have been able to survive the last landing. lol
But I think with luck it could be done if the pax keeps his cool.
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But I think with luck it could be done if the pax keeps his cool.
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I had this discussion (debate?) with my examiner on my commercial ride. To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing in the CARS regarding dual controls. There is a restriction in the Robinson's POHs (and possibly others) to effect that dual controls must be removed for non-instructional flights with a passenger. However, the POH for my helicopter does not so there is nothing preventing me from leaving my dual controls in place. He called me a few days later to tell me that he agreed with me.godsrcrazy wrote:...
However in todays days of CAR's etc it is becoming illegal to have dual controls unless you are operating a 2 crew environment. Chances of flying with a set of duals in are getting slim to zero.
So in short if a Helicopter pilot becomes incopacitated you will die with no duals in it.
I have let numerous people try the controls in my helicopter. I agree with what has been said here, an airplane pilot *might* be OK in cruise but near the ground they aren't going to make it. With or without dual controls, if I die while we are flying, you are going to die as well
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I had a few thousand hours of fixed wing time before heading to rotary flight school.
The first time hovering was like trying to balance a bowling ball on a baseball.
In cruise it's, for the most part, identical to fixed wing flying. Once you slow down below a certain speed you need to know how to hover. Even with dual controls, you're most likely going to crash.
You're best bet, as mentioned, is to find a runway and land it like a plane. Skids or wheels, doesn't matter.
The first time hovering was like trying to balance a bowling ball on a baseball.
In cruise it's, for the most part, identical to fixed wing flying. Once you slow down below a certain speed you need to know how to hover. Even with dual controls, you're most likely going to crash.
You're best bet, as mentioned, is to find a runway and land it like a plane. Skids or wheels, doesn't matter.
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