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Re: New hire bids

Post by DH8Pilot » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:35 am

We won't find out exactly until Nov. 5. However, based on recent ground schools and where the internal movement appears to be, I'd assume this class will again skew quite heavily toward the RJ.
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Re: New hire bids

Post by dieselbro » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:37 pm

DH8Pilot wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:35 am
We won't find out exactly until Nov. 5. However, based on recent ground schools and where the internal movement appears to be, I'd assume this class will again skew quite heavily toward the RJ.
Cool, thanks for the update!
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Re: New hire bids

Post by what_limit? » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:29 am

Anyone know what the bids were for this class?
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Re: New hire bids

Post by CanadianEh » Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:40 am

2 YYC RJ
6 YVR RJ
2 YYZ Q400
4 YVR Q400
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Re: New hire bids

Post by what_limit? » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:30 am

CanadianEh wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:40 am
2 YYC RJ
6 YVR RJ
2 YYZ Q400
4 YVR Q400
Nice, thanks!
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Re: New hire bids

Post by timeflies » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:58 am

December 3rd bid anyone ?
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Re: New hire bids

Post by FL-280 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:13 am

2 RJ YUL
6 RJ YVR
1 YVR Q
Remaining is Q in YYZ...

12 Person course I believe
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Re: New hire bids

Post by Babar350 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:36 pm

Thank you !
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Re: New hire bids

Post by what_limit? » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:58 pm

RJ
YUL 2
YYZ 0
YYC 0
YVR 6
No classics
Q
YUL 0
YYZ 3
YYC 0
YVR 1

12 on course
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Re: New hire bids

Post by Babar350 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:59 am

Hellooww!

New year new bid? 8)
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Re: New hire bids

Post by yvonne2823 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:27 am

4 YVR Q
1 YYZ Q
3 YUL Q
4 YUL Classic
3 YVR RJ
1 YYC RJ
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Re: New hire bids

Post by pilot4hire » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:15 am

Might be a silly question but let’s say I wanted a specific base and did not get it, can I eventually bid for it? If so, how long would the wait typically be?
Do people ever switch to a different aircraft type?

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Re: New hire bids

Post by KenoraPilot » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:28 am

pilot4hire wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:15 am
Might be a silly question but let’s say I wanted a specific base and did not get it, can I eventually bid for it? If so, how long would the wait typically be?
Do people ever switch to a different aircraft type?

Thanks
You can request the base you want almost right after you get your type (Electronic Standing Bid). Getting the base is a matter of seniority. Once you can hold that base on your type you will be moved. Things currently are still moving so people are getting bases usually within 6mths of hire. Occasionally there is a longer wait and it also depends on what type you're flying. For example if you're on the CRJ YYC it might take a little while longer as the base is quite senior and they recently reduced some of the RJ's out of YYC. If you want DH8 YUL you'll probably get it quickly. Changing types is almost always after your 4yr type freeze or initial captain upgrade. When you upgrade you can pick any plane you can hold seniority wise. If anyone tells you that "differences" courses for the DH8 and Q400 happen often are lying. They can happen but are extremely rare in my opinion (I can be wrong) but based on what I see the type you get on day 2 is the type you'll have for 4 years as FO or until you upgrade and choose something different.

Best suggestion is pick where you want to live vs. the plane you want to fly. You can always change that but commuting add's a whole next level to the game.
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Re: New hire bids

Post by CFM56 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:53 am

As per our contract you’re frozen on type for 4yrs (following the initial line check) in the same base or 2 yrs if you are trying to transfer to another base.

I’ve been told from an ALPA rep that they seeked clarification from management on the Q400 vs DH8 for the freeze. They claimed that there isn’t one because it’s a differences course and not a full out new type (I’m still sceptical on that).
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Re: New hire bids

Post by HansDietrich » Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:47 pm

CFM56 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:53 am
As per our contract you’re frozen on type for 4yrs (following the initial line check) in the same base or 2 yrs if you are trying to transfer to another base.

I’ve been told from an ALPA rep that they seeked clarification from management on the Q400 vs DH8 for the freeze. They claimed that there isn’t one because it’s a differences course and not a full out new type (I’m still sceptical on that).
That's not going to happen. As far as Jazz is concerned, and their "FREEZE POLICY", the DH8 and Q400 are two different type ratings. That's one of the main reason I quit Jazz.

My advice to anyone: IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE PLANE / DESTINATIONS YOU'RE FLYING PICK THE PLANE, NOT THE BASE. IT'S A LOT EASIER TO SWITCH BASES THAN IT IS TO SWITCH PLANES. OF COURSE, THAT DOES NOT APPLY IF YOU REALLY WANT YYZ BASE AND YOU ALSO WANT THE RJ.
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Re: New hire bids

Post by KenoraPilot » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:03 pm

HansDietrich wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:47 pm
CFM56 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:53 am
As per our contract you’re frozen on type for 4yrs (following the initial line check) in the same base or 2 yrs if you are trying to transfer to another base.

I’ve been told from an ALPA rep that they seeked clarification from management on the Q400 vs DH8 for the freeze. They claimed that there isn’t one because it’s a differences course and not a full out new type (I’m still sceptical on that).
That's not going to happen. As far as Jazz is concerned, and their "FREEZE POLICY", the DH8 and Q400 are two different type ratings. That's one of the main reason I quit Jazz.

My advice to anyone: IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE PLANE / DESTINATIONS YOU'RE FLYING PICK THE PLANE, NOT THE BASE. IT'S A LOT EASIER TO SWITCH BASES THAN IT IS TO SWITCH PLANES. OF COURSE, THAT DOES NOT APPLY IF YOU REALLY WANT YYZ BASE AND YOU ALSO WANT THE RJ.

I agree with Hans, if you care about the plane you fly and the overnights you will have please do some research into where they overnight etc. Hans was not impressed with his DH8 YYZ experience as it goes to the lovely northern destinations such as YSB (worst overnight in YYZ base IMO). The DH8 out west does some very nice overnights though, YLW, YCD, YXE, YYJ, YQQ......but also YMM (which isn't' awful but the hotel does need some TLC) lol

The CRJ will do a ton of US flying and US overnights which is lovely for the per diem (currently) as well as some cross country and a lot of YWG stand ups (if you're western based). The Q and RJ do a lot of stand ups, the DH8 does a few but not as many as the Q or RJ.

Do some research if plane/overnight is important. If life style and where you live/spend your time on RSV is important then pick a base. It's almost a guarantee that you'll be on RSV for a few months at minimum when you start.
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Re: New hire bids

Post by Oxi » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:18 pm

HansDietrich wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:47 pm
CFM56 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:53 am
As per our contract you’re frozen on type for 4yrs (following the initial line check) in the same base or 2 yrs if you are trying to transfer to another base.

I’ve been told from an ALPA rep that they seeked clarification from management on the Q400 vs DH8 for the freeze. They claimed that there isn’t one because it’s a differences course and not a full out new type (I’m still sceptical on that).
That's not going to happen. As far as Jazz is concerned, and their "FREEZE POLICY", the DH8 and Q400 are two different type ratings. That's one of the main reason I quit Jazz.

My advice to anyone: IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE PLANE / DESTINATIONS YOU'RE FLYING PICK THE PLANE, NOT THE BASE. IT'S A LOT EASIER TO SWITCH BASES THAN IT IS TO SWITCH PLANES. OF COURSE, THAT DOES NOT APPLY IF YOU REALLY WANT YYZ BASE AND YOU ALSO WANT THE RJ.
This is not true. The q400 and classic are differences and are not frozen. If you went from one to the other then an RJ
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Re: New hire bids

Post by HansDietrich » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:36 pm

Oxi wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:18 pm
HansDietrich wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:47 pm
CFM56 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:53 am
As per our contract you’re frozen on type for 4yrs (following the initial line check) in the same base or 2 yrs if you are trying to transfer to another base.

I’ve been told from an ALPA rep that they seeked clarification from management on the Q400 vs DH8 for the freeze. They claimed that there isn’t one because it’s a differences course and not a full out new type (I’m still sceptical on that).
That's not going to happen. As far as Jazz is concerned, and their "FREEZE POLICY", the DH8 and Q400 are two different type ratings. That's one of the main reason I quit Jazz.

My advice to anyone: IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE PLANE / DESTINATIONS YOU'RE FLYING PICK THE PLANE, NOT THE BASE. IT'S A LOT EASIER TO SWITCH BASES THAN IT IS TO SWITCH PLANES. OF COURSE, THAT DOES NOT APPLY IF YOU REALLY WANT YYZ BASE AND YOU ALSO WANT THE RJ.
This is not true. The q400 and classic are differences and are not frozen. If you went from one to the other then an RJ
Well if things have changed, since I quit, then maybe you're correct, but I had the Q400 on my standing bid from day one. 1.5 years later I was still on the Dash 8. I was told by ALPA there is nothing they can do. They can't get me on the Q because I'm frozen on the DH8
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Re: New hire bids

Post by Lightchop » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:46 pm

HansDietrich wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:36 pm
Oxi wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:18 pm
HansDietrich wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:47 pm


That's not going to happen. As far as Jazz is concerned, and their "FREEZE POLICY", the DH8 and Q400 are two different type ratings. That's one of the main reason I quit Jazz.

My advice to anyone: IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE PLANE / DESTINATIONS YOU'RE FLYING PICK THE PLANE, NOT THE BASE. IT'S A LOT EASIER TO SWITCH BASES THAN IT IS TO SWITCH PLANES. OF COURSE, THAT DOES NOT APPLY IF YOU REALLY WANT YYZ BASE AND YOU ALSO WANT THE RJ.
This is not true. The q400 and classic are differences and are not frozen. If you went from one to the other then an RJ
Well if things have changed, since I quit, then maybe you're correct, but I had the Q400 on my standing bid from day one. 1.5 years later I was still on the Dash 8. I was told by ALPA there is nothing they can do. They can't get me on the Q because I'm frozen on the DH8

The only place I've really seen anyone get released was if they were for example a classic FO, took the upgrade on the Q and a few months later could hold the RJ. Since the Q upgrade was not a full initial they were able to move up to the RJ. I have not however, heard of any people moving FO classic to FO Q or vise versa on the "differences" course. There may be a few but none that I know of.
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Re: New hire bids

Post by Babar350 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:47 pm

When bidding the new base, can we see our number on the list to have a rough idea of when we'll be holding the base we bid?
Do we need to bid every month or the system keeps us on the list?
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Re: New hire bids

Post by HansDietrich » Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:58 pm

Lightchop wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:46 pm
The only place I've really seen anyone get released was if they were for example a classic FO, took the upgrade on the Q and a few months later could hold the RJ. Since the Q upgrade was not a full initial they were able to move up to the RJ. I have not however, heard of any people moving FO classic to FO Q or vise versa on the "differences" course. There may be a few but none that I know of.
From my experience, [sadly], you are correct!
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Re: New hire bids

Post by HansDietrich » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:02 pm

Babar350 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:47 pm
When bidding the new base, can we see our number on the list to have a rough idea of when we'll be holding the base we bid?
Do we need to bid every month or the system keeps us on the list?
Yes. Every month a seniority / position list comes out. You will know your seniority number and where you stand in regards to the rest of the people. Say you're on the Q400 in YUL and you always wanted Q400 YYC. You can see your seniority number and compare that to the seniority number of the guy at the bottom of the Q400 YYC FO list. You will have an idea if you can hold that base.

Now what you don't know is who's leaving from that Q400 YYC FO list, or if the list gets shrunk, or if anybody above you from other bases want that Q400 YYC FO spot. Maybe a senior Q400 YYZ FO has a girlfriend that just got a job as a waitress at Cowboys in Calgary, and since she'll make more tips in one night than he makes in 4 days of flying, he'll want to follow her to Calgary. Now you're going to have to give way to him.

Edit: I'll add this... You don't need to update every month. Your standing bid is your standing bid and carries over to the next month. That's why it's important NOT to forget about what you have on that standing bid. You may all the sudden get a position that you forgot you bid for and you're sh*t out of luck. You have to take it.
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Re: New hire bids

Post by Babar350 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:35 pm

Thank you, that's clear now!
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Re: New hire bids

Post by EPR » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:08 pm

Hans Dietrich..LOL.. "Now what you don't know is who's leaving from that Q400 YYC FO list, or if the list gets shrunk, or if anybody above you from other bases want that Q400 YYC FO spot. Maybe a senior Q400 YYZ FO has a girlfriend that just got a job as a waitress at Cowboys in Calgary, and since she'll make more tips in one night than he makes in 4 days of flying, he'll want to follow her to Calgary"... :laughbig:
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Re: New hire bids

Post by CFM56 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 10:10 pm

HansDietrich wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:47 pm
CFM56 wrote:
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:53 am
As per our contract you’re frozen on type for 4yrs (following the initial line check) in the same base or 2 yrs if you are trying to transfer to another base.

I’ve been told from an ALPA rep that they seeked clarification from management on the Q400 vs DH8 for the freeze. They claimed that there isn’t one because it’s a differences course and not a full out new type (I’m still sceptical on that).
That's not going to happen. As far as Jazz is concerned, and their "FREEZE POLICY", the DH8 and Q400 are two different type ratings. That's one of the main reason I quit Jazz.

My advice to anyone: IF YOU CARE ABOUT THE PLANE / DESTINATIONS YOU'RE FLYING PICK THE PLANE, NOT THE BASE. IT'S A LOT EASIER TO SWITCH BASES THAN IT IS TO SWITCH PLANES. OF COURSE, THAT DOES NOT APPLY IF YOU REALLY WANT YYZ BASE AND YOU ALSO WANT THE RJ.
Hence why I said I was sceptical when I was told that.
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