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Re: Bargaining idea

Post by KenoraPilot » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:47 pm

nwopilot wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:04 am
I always wondered this. What is the “classic airline”?
The classic airline was (from what I understand) an attempt by the company to spin off the DH8 classics into its own airline (kinda like rouge and swoop). In an attempt to make it another division with cheaper labour. What ended up happening was a cap was placed on salaries for the DH8 for all "B" scale hires. Anyone hired post Jan 2015 on the DH8 will max out at the 7 year captain/FO wage. After year 7 there is no more "growth on the pay scale" for the DH8. So all "B" scale pilots must bid off the Classic at the end of their 7th year.

I agree with Rowdy this is 100% got to change with the upcoming contract. My 7 years as a Captain on the DH8 will be 2025 so I am all guns a blazin for the removal of the "cap". I quite love the DH8 and intend to stay on it as long as possible. (side note I am attempting to join the various committees with the end going of being on the negotiations committee in a few years) You're 100% the ALPA MEC/LEC and committees need some B scale rep. But this can't be about us vs them (A vs B). We need to make this a company worth staying at and one worth staying at until you move on to AC if that's your choice. I personally believe thats 100% achievable. (maybe dreaming but thats my opinion)
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Re: Bargaining idea

Post by AvifiskAlly » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:02 pm

KenoraPilot wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:47 pm
nwopilot wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:04 am
I always wondered this. What is the “classic airline”?
The classic airline was (from what I understand) an attempt by the company to spin off the DH8 classics into its own airline (kinda like rouge and swoop). In an attempt to make it another division with cheaper labour. What ended up happening was a cap was placed on salaries for the DH8 for all "B" scale hires. Anyone hired post Jan 2015 on the DH8 will max out at the 7 year captain/FO wage. After year 7 there is no more "growth on the pay scale" for the DH8. So all "B" scale pilots must bid off the Classic at the end of their 7th year.

I agree with Rowdy this is 100% got to change with the upcoming contract. My 7 years as a Captain on the DH8 will be 2025 so I am all guns a blazin for the removal of the "cap". I quite love the DH8 and intend to stay on it as long as possible. (side note I am attempting to join the various committees with the end going of being on the negotiations committee in a few years) You're 100% the ALPA MEC/LEC and committees need some B scale rep. But this can't be about us vs them (A vs B). We need to make this a company worth staying at and one worth staying at until you move on to AC if that's your choice. I personally believe thats 100% achievable. (maybe dreaming but thats my opinion)

Not achievable at all. What you do is a commodity. You provide regional lift. Do it cheaper and you win. Or. They win. But that is the game.
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Re: Bargaining idea

Post by Oxi » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:30 pm

KenoraPilot wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:47 pm
nwopilot wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:04 am
I always wondered this. What is the “classic airline”?
But this can't be about us vs them (A vs B). We need to make this a company worth staying at
thank you
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Re: Bargaining idea

Post by KenoraPilot » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:25 pm

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Not achievable at all. What you do is a commodity. You provide regional lift. Do it cheaper and you win. Or. They win. But that is the game.
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What do you do? Since clearly you're not a Jazz employee.....

Plus that is a very sad way to look at the issues.....it may be the correct way but viewing it that way doesn't help the situation. Its the same as throwing your hands in the air and saying "whatever". Nothing in life is free or given, its earned. Yes we make mistakes and take wrong paths and get screwed but honestly if we don't at least "TRY" to help ourselves and make things better it won't get better. Also if we allow ourselves and others to view us as "just a commodity who provides "regional" lift" then that's all we are. If we promote and display ourselves as more (even if its in our minds and professional attitudes) then thats half the battle. I'd rather work with people who try to make things better and have pride in their "regional airline". I know my views may be dreamy but f**k it, why not its my life and my career.....I'd rather at least be a little positive about what I do than negative about everything.
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Re: Bargaining idea

Post by AvifiskAlly » Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:18 pm

KenoraPilot wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:25 pm

Not achievable at all. What you do is a commodity. You provide regional lift. Do it cheaper and you win. Or. They win. But that is the game.
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What do you do? Since clearly you're not a Jazz employee.....

Plus that is a very sad way to look at the issues.....it may be the correct way but viewing it that way doesn't help the situation. Its the same as throwing your hands in the air and saying "whatever". Nothing in life is free or given, its earned. Yes we make mistakes and take wrong paths and get screwed but honestly if we don't at least "TRY" to help ourselves and make things better it won't get better. Also if we allow ourselves and others to view us as "just a commodity who provides "regional" lift" then that's all we are. If we promote and display ourselves as more (even if its in our minds and professional attitudes) then thats half the battle. I'd rather work with people who try to make things better and have pride in their "regional airline". I know my views may be dreamy but f**k it, why not its my life and my career.....I'd rather at least be a little positive about what I do than negative about everything.
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Man I feel for you and I understand but the reality is that your ONLY customer views you as a commodity and that will not change regardless of how you view yourself. What can Jazz do to survive >>>> cut costs. Don’t make your job out to be more than it is and 100% never feel that it is less than it is. It is a great profession and you are well respected in society. BUT there is 0 difference to what you do and what Sky or Georgian do today nor PAL, CMA or Wasaya can do in your place tomorrow. Sorry, regional feed is a competitive business and your goals are not aligned with your employers ONLY customer.
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Re: Bargaining idea

Post by KenoraPilot » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:48 pm

So what is it you do in this industry? Just curious to have an idea for your view points?
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Re: Bargaining idea

Post by Rowdy » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:09 am

He just jumps in to stir the pot.
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Re: Bargaining idea

Post by avpride » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:58 am

Rowdy wrote:
Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:09 am
He just jumps in to stir the pot.
But .....
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Re: Bargaining idea

Post by BingBong » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:04 pm

KenoraPilot wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:47 pm
nwopilot wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:04 am
I always wondered this. What is the “classic airline”?
The classic airline was (from what I understand) an attempt by the company to spin off the DH8 classics into its own airline (kinda like rouge and swoop). In an attempt to make it another division with cheaper labour. What ended up happening was a cap was placed on salaries for the DH8 for all "B" scale hires. Anyone hired post Jan 2015 on the DH8 will max out at the 7 year captain/FO wage. After year 7 there is no more "growth on the pay scale" for the DH8. So all "B" scale pilots must bid off the Classic at the end of their 7th year.

I agree with Rowdy this is 100% got to change with the upcoming contract. My 7 years as a Captain on the DH8 will be 2025 so I am all guns a blazin for the removal of the "cap". I quite love the DH8 and intend to stay on it as long as possible. (side note I am attempting to join the various committees with the end going of being on the negotiations committee in a few years) You're 100% the ALPA MEC/LEC and committees need some B scale rep. But this can't be about us vs them (A vs B). We need to make this a company worth staying at and one worth staying at until you move on to AC if that's your choice. I personally believe thats 100% achievable. (maybe dreaming but thats my opinion)
I sincerely hope you achieve all those things. But will never happen unless the current MEC and negots chair are still at the helm. A snake bite only heals once all the poison is removed
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Re: Bargaining idea

Post by Rowdy » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:37 pm

BingBong wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:04 pm
KenoraPilot wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:47 pm
nwopilot wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:04 am
I always wondered this. What is the “classic airline”?
The classic airline was (from what I understand) an attempt by the company to spin off the DH8 classics into its own airline (kinda like rouge and swoop). In an attempt to make it another division with cheaper labour. What ended up happening was a cap was placed on salaries for the DH8 for all "B" scale hires. Anyone hired post Jan 2015 on the DH8 will max out at the 7 year captain/FO wage. After year 7 there is no more "growth on the pay scale" for the DH8. So all "B" scale pilots must bid off the Classic at the end of their 7th year.

I agree with Rowdy this is 100% got to change with the upcoming contract. My 7 years as a Captain on the DH8 will be 2025 so I am all guns a blazin for the removal of the "cap". I quite love the DH8 and intend to stay on it as long as possible. (side note I am attempting to join the various committees with the end going of being on the negotiations committee in a few years) You're 100% the ALPA MEC/LEC and committees need some B scale rep. But this can't be about us vs them (A vs B). We need to make this a company worth staying at and one worth staying at until you move on to AC if that's your choice. I personally believe thats 100% achievable. (maybe dreaming but thats my opinion)
I sincerely hope you achieve all those things. But will never happen unless the current MEC and negots chair are still at the helm. A snake bite only heals once all the poison is removed
Movement is afoot to replace them. I know they recently re-elected themselves (I believe they called it win by acclamation) but this term will be the end of the line.
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Bargaining idea

Post by Warnergah » Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:10 am

Strange: looks like an LJ tail code VP-23 and Id stick by P2V, so maybe USN rather than JASDF/JMSDF?
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Re: Bargaining idea

Post by hithere » Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:37 am

Huh?
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Re: Bargaining idea

Post by av8ts » Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:19 am

Warnergah wrote:
Mon Dec 24, 2018 3:10 am
Strange: looks like an LJ tail code VP-23 and Id stick by P2V, so maybe USN rather than JASDF/JMSDF?
Wrong thread maybe
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