Chorus/Ggn/Sky merge

[DanWEC]

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/air- ... s-awi.html

[DanWEC]

..Double post..

[av8ts]

You’d have to pay me a lot more than double to get me to move to the land of the orange baby

[FL007]

You’d have to pay me a lot more than double to get me to move to the land of the orange baby

To each their own, whoever their leader is, making double is an insane change of lifestyle, not including the lower cost of living in the US. I'd say a quarter of AC pilots would be gone if they had the opportunity to move over.

[av8ts]

You’d have to pay me a lot more than double to get me to move to the land of the orange baby

To each their own, whoever their leader is, making double is an insane change of lifestyle, not including the lower cost of living in the US. I'd say a quarter of AC pilots would be gone if they had the opportunity to move over.

It’s not just him. I have no desire to live where that many people support a racist sexual predator. Then there’s also the murder rate.

[FL007]

You’d have to pay me a lot more than double to get me to move to the land of the orange baby

To each their own, whoever their leader is, making double is an insane change of lifestyle, not including the lower cost of living in the US. I'd say a quarter of AC pilots would be gone if they had the opportunity to move over.

It’s not just him. I have no desire to live where that many people support a racist sexual predator. Then there’s also the murder rate.

Yes I get what you're saying, do you refuse to operate to the US on flights?

I fly to the US enough that I could probably commute there from, say, YYZ, and make double and my time away from home would probably be very similar.

[Alcoholism]

To each their own, whoever their leader is, making double is an insane change of lifestyle, not including the lower cost of living in the US. I'd say a quarter of AC pilots would be gone if they had the opportunity to move over.

It’s not just him. I have no desire to live where that many people support a racist sexual predator. Then there’s also the murder rate.

Yes I get what you're saying, do you refuse to operate to the US on flights?

Yes and he/she should probably refuse to fly any US citizen. Unintelligent and could use some Trump love.

[Lightchop]

I'd happily go work for a company like Southwest and move to San Diego or Denver. Sign me up.

[FL007]

And as flawed as it may be, I'd almost rather America's healthcare system. I've almost died in the waiting room of an ER needing emergency surgery while waiting 9 hours to be seen.

Loved ones of mine would still be alive due to the organ donor list joke here.

Sure I'd have to pay, but I'd gladly go into debt to have family members live 10-20 more years.

Some European countries have it the best though, a system merging the two.

[Oxi]

is there a CRJ900 order with Bombardier that is undisclosed? If so would Jazz or GGN fly these?

[speedah]

Currently 6 orders with 6 options undisclosed AFAIK. Its from end of 2017, but i dont think the customer has been made public yet

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/customer ... 31889.html

[rudder]

BBD Q400 line sold. BBD CRJ900/1000 line (unofficially) for sale. This creates uncertainty and scares customers away.

Principal competitor for CRJ900/1000 is the E175 (3rd generation). EMB is effectively backstopped by Brazilian government. Little or no risk to manufacturer viability or long term product support.

Tough for BBD to sell its product in that environment without deep discounts. And BBD does not typically offer much in the way of discounts on the CRJ900.

Only play that might get some traction and be worthy of a volume discount is to see AC commit to a significant CRJ900 order (via CHR Capital Leasing Division?) that would be part Express 76 seat fleet growth and mostly medium term (2020-2023) fleet replacement for the 25 first generation E175’s currently in service at Express. A potential order therefore could be 25-40 CRJ900 aircraft to be delivered from 2019-2023.

AC acquired the CS300/A220-300 for a per unit cost less than the list price for a CRJ900. Whether the math works for further CRJ900 aircraft at Express likely has to do with the willingness of BBD to offer a discount to AC/CHR.

[FL-280]

BBD Q400 line sold. BBD CRJ900/1000 line (unofficially) for sale. This creates uncertainty and scares customers away.

Principal competitor for CRJ900/1000 is the E175 (3rd generation). EMB is effectively backstopped by Brazilian government. Little or no risk to manufacturer viability or long term product support.

Tough for BBD to sell its product in that environment without deep discounts. And BBD does not typically offer much in the way of discounts on the CRJ900.

Only play that might get some traction and be worthy of a volume discount is to see AC commit to a significant CRJ900 order (via CHR Capital Leasing Division?) that would be part Express 76 seat fleet growth and mostly medium term (2020-2023) fleet replacement for the 25 first generation E175’s currently in service at Express. A potential order therefore could be 25-40 CRJ900 aircraft to be delivered from 2019-2023.

AC acquired the CS300/A220-300 for a per unit cost less than the list price for a CRJ900. Whether the math works for further CRJ900 aircraft at Express likely has to do with the willingness of BBD to offer a discount to AC/CHR.

Very well put. We are on same page with this, I strongly believe this is what will happen. Jazz \ CHR will have to merge the pilot list to crew such a big CRJ order.
The RJ900, is a much better aircraft and its time to pick it up really cheap.

[goingnowherefast]

How competitive on operating costs is the CRJ900 compared to the reworked E-jet family? Might need to re-engine the CRJ to make it more competitive.

As much as I'd like to see Canadian companies succeed, it's sad to see them offer old outdated products when the foreign competition is pushing forward.

[FL-280]

The new E jet is not a possibility right now for the express carriers, the scope clause would have to be re negociated.... too heavy I believe

[rudder]

There are numerous fleet ratio limits that apply in the ACPA scope language, however, for the purpose of gauge for Express MJA (medium Jet Aircraft) the limit is seat based. Max certified hull size 90 seats but operated with not greater than 76 seats.

The US legacy operators have weight and seat scope limits (86,000 lbs).

[TheStig]

AC acquired the CS300/A220-300 for a per unit cost less than the list price for a CRJ900. Whether the math works for further CRJ900 aircraft at Express likely has to do with the willingness of BBD to offer a discount to AC/CHR.

Rudder, Air Canada has 30 A220 options with substation rights between the -300 and -100, at, as you've mentioned heavily discounted rates. How do you think this might impact Air Canada's intentions towards its regional fleet renewal plans? Does the price of the A220 have an impact on the airlines regional renewal strategy, do you think its possible to exercise those options (and have them flown at mainline) as opposed to buying more CRJ900's or E2's operated by express?

[Irony]

+1

[Rowdy]

The a220-300 won't be at express. I'm not sure what the configurations are like on the -100, but I'd assume it too would be outside of the scope language, unless AC decides to bully ACPA into allowing it and adding some more wide bodies. IIRC it was based on a fleet ratio with them was it not?

I could see the 175's at Jazz, as AC manipulates the now unionizing group at SKR and GGN.

[rudder]

AC acquired the CS300/A220-300 for a per unit cost less than the list price for a CRJ900. Whether the math works for further CRJ900 aircraft at Express likely has to do with the willingness of BBD to offer a discount to AC/CHR.

Rudder, Air Canada has 30 A220 options with substation rights between the -300 and -100, at, as you've mentioned heavily discounted rates. How do you think this might impact Air Canada's intentions towards its regional fleet renewal plans? Does the price of the A220 have an impact on the airlines regional renewal strategy, do you think its possible to exercise those options (and have them flown at mainline) as opposed to buying more CRJ900's or E2's operated by express?

I have no information as to whether AC has deeply discounted prices on its C series options. BBD needed a significant order for the C series from a credible North American carrier. AC was in the right place at the right time. If AC does have convertible options at the same rate as the firm orders (news reports infer a 67% discount) then AC certainly seems to be sitting in an enviable position. I cannot imagine that Airbus would be impressed with potential convertible options outstanding at below manufacturing cost pricing. But Airbus knew what they were buying (including assumed liabilities). Only time will tell.

There are more than a few 76 seat Express jets operating on flights with just 25-50 pax on board. Not sure how putting that same passenger load on a mainline 110-145 seat C series would be viewed as beneficial. There will always be a role for 76 seat/2 class jets at Express. In particular, the CRJ900 with its 4 hour range. The question is whether it will be a fleet of 46 (status quo), more, or less. Once again, only time will tell.