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Classic Dash replacement??

Post by Hilroy » Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:36 pm

Hey guys!

Which aircraft represent the future of the 37 passengers? I guess Jazz/AC will at one point start to phase out those DHC8-100, most of them are now over 30 years old.

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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by Rowdy » Fri Dec 28, 2018 8:18 pm

The 100 is already being phased out. A lot of it’s routes it’s being replaced by 300’s and their routes by the Q. There are quite a few that don’t seem to justify the Q And I wonder how jazz/chorus plans to supplement that
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by Lightchop » Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:19 pm

Saabs.

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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by C-GGGQ » Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:35 pm

Unless someone wants to crank out new 100's would the small ATR's be about the same or are they closer to the 300?

(I guess the are is 54 seats so yeah a 300 not 100)
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by lownslow » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:19 pm

Georgian can take over some of those runs. I hear they’re hiring.
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by Babar350 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:47 pm

So Jazz would take over some Georgian routes in the near future ?
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by mixturerich » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:10 pm

I hear they getting some flying boats and are going to open some float bases. (This would actually be awesome)
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by ant_321 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:30 pm

mixturerich wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:10 pm
I hear they getting some flying boats and are going to open some float bases. (This would actually be awesome)
Last I heard EVAS is replacing the 1900’s with canso’s
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by goingnowherefast » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:08 pm

Aren't they just extending the life of the -300s?

I'm sure a big enough order, and Viking would make some Q300NGs
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by Rowdy » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:02 pm

goingnowherefast wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:08 pm
Aren't they just extending the life of the -300s?

I'm sure a big enough order, and Viking would make some Q300NGs
They are attempting to extend the life of the -311's, as it seems the -301s are kaput once the gear is out of spec. GSTA went in for its extension and lo and behold, ended up being parted out and cut up. I think a few more may end up that way in the very near future.

Supposedly a few years ago BBD approached Jazz/Chorus and offered to spool up the production line if they made a reasonable order. Doubt that would ever happen.

It does leave a pretty big gap in some of our route structure.

GGN's 1900 base in YYZ is done. Supposedly Calgary is next on the chopping block. Rumour says CMA for red deer and med hat. Classic dash for lethbridge and cranbrook.
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by fish4life » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:13 pm

I would imagine ATR 42’s are the only aircraft around that can fill the void although their operating cost is within 10% of the 72’s so it may not make sense.
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by CFM56 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:15 pm

Rowdy wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:02 pm
goingnowherefast wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:08 pm
Aren't they just extending the life of the -300s?

I'm sure a big enough order, and Viking would make some Q300NGs
They are attempting to extend the life of the -311's, as it seems the -301s are kaput once the gear is out of spec. GSTA went in for its extension and lo and behold, ended up being parted out and cut up. I think a few more may end up that way in the very near future.

Supposedly a few years ago BBD approached Jazz/Chorus and offered to spool up the production line if they made a reasonable order. Doubt that would ever happen.

It does leave a pretty big gap in some of our route structure.

GGN's 1900 base in YYZ is done. Supposedly Calgary is next on the chopping block. Rumour says CMA for red deer and med hat. Classic dash for lethbridge and cranbrook.
What’s interesting is that MTA, STA and VTA have been removed from service. MTA was very recently, so the fleet is now down to 25 -300s with an overstaffed roster!
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by Hilroy » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:46 pm

There is a big hole in the 19 pax market (1900) and 37 pax market (-100)...

I guess we're a special country and those type of aircraft aren't in a big demand around the world!!
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by J31 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:45 am

19 seat market: Cessna SkyCourier

https://cessna.txtav.com/en/turboprop/skycourier
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by HansDietrich » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:37 am

J31 wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:45 am
19 seat market: Cessna SkyCourier

https://cessna.txtav.com/en/turboprop/skycourier
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's not a pressurized aircraft. I'm not sure if they have "two versions".
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by iflyroads » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:43 am

Rowdy wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:02 pm
goingnowherefast wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:08 pm
Aren't they just extending the life of the -300s?

I'm sure a big enough order, and Viking would make some Q300NGs
They are attempting to extend the life of the -311's, as it seems the -301s are kaput once the gear is out of spec. GSTA went in for its extension and lo and behold, ended up being parted out and cut up. I think a few more may end up that way in the very near future.

Supposedly a few years ago BBD approached Jazz/Chorus and offered to spool up the production line if they made a reasonable order. Doubt that would ever happen.

It does leave a pretty big gap in some of our route structure.

GGN's 1900 base in YYZ is done. Supposedly Calgary is next on the chopping block. Rumour says CMA for red deer and med hat. Classic dash for lethbridge and cranbrook.
Red deer stopped service Nov 1st 2018.

AC won't work with CMA because of some bad blood from the past. (previous legal action).

May 1st is the rumour I heard for the 1900 yyc base closing down. Jazz to take over the remaining routes.
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by goingnowherefast » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:05 pm

A few years ago, there was lots of talk about lifetime extensions, so I can see the reluctance to consider new aircraft. If planes aren't able to be economically extended, then new airframes is the next logical step. I really doubt we'll see a "Dash-9", although that is a neat idea.

Modernised more efficient engines, Q400 avionics, legitimate common type rating with the current Q400. I don't think it's that much of a stretch.
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by goleafsgo » Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:12 pm

goingnowherefast wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:05 pm
A few years ago, there was lots of talk about lifetime extensions, so I can see the reluctance to consider new aircraft. If planes aren't able to be economically extended, then new airframes is the next logical step. I really doubt we'll see a "Dash-9", although that is a neat idea.

Modernised more efficient engines, Q400 avionics, legitimate common type rating with the current Q400. I don't think it's that much of a stretch.
Now that Viking owns the dash-8 program they should revamp the 100/300 and make new frames like they did with the twotter
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by Alcoholism » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:17 pm

Heard some old Ilyushin maybe on par
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by fish4life » Tue Jan 01, 2019 12:33 pm

Alcoholism wrote:
Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:17 pm
Heard some old Ilyushin maybe on par
As much as this may be a bit tongue in cheek, most Russian aircraft would serve the Canadian market much better than the airplanes we currently use that were mainly designed for pavement to pavement originally.
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by goingnowherefast » Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:29 pm

Nah, couldn't be. Metros make great gravel airplanes :lol:
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by Splash » Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:39 pm

Rowdy wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:02 pm
goingnowherefast wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:08 pm
Aren't they just extending the life of the -300s?

I'm sure a big enough order, and Viking would make some Q300NGs
They are attempting to extend the life of the -311's, as it seems the -301s are kaput once the gear is out of spec. GSTA went in for its extension and lo and behold, ended up being parted out and cut up. I think a few more may end up that way in the very near future.

Supposedly a few years ago BBD approached Jazz/Chorus and offered to spool up the production line if they made a reasonable order. Doubt that would ever happen.

It does leave a pretty big gap in some of our route structure.

GGN's 1900 base in YYZ is done. Supposedly Calgary is next on the chopping block. Rumour says CMA for red deer and med hat. Classic dash for lethbridge and cranbrook.
The 301s are the orginal Time Air machines of which there were 10. Does that mean all 10 will be withdrawn from service? If I'm correct there are 18 311s which in theory should be able to go through the lifetime extension program?
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by Rowdy » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:57 pm

Splash wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:39 pm
Rowdy wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:02 pm
goingnowherefast wrote:
Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:08 pm
Aren't they just extending the life of the -300s?

I'm sure a big enough order, and Viking would make some Q300NGs
They are attempting to extend the life of the -311's, as it seems the -301s are kaput once the gear is out of spec. GSTA went in for its extension and lo and behold, ended up being parted out and cut up. I think a few more may end up that way in the very near future.

Supposedly a few years ago BBD approached Jazz/Chorus and offered to spool up the production line if they made a reasonable order. Doubt that would ever happen.

It does leave a pretty big gap in some of our route structure.

GGN's 1900 base in YYZ is done. Supposedly Calgary is next on the chopping block. Rumour says CMA for red deer and med hat. Classic dash for lethbridge and cranbrook.
The 301s are the orginal Time Air machines of which there were 10. Does that mean all 10 will be withdrawn from service? If I'm correct there are 18 311s which in theory should be able to go through the lifetime extension program?
There are 301's that are ex Air Ontario birds too. They can have the life extension too, but with the apparent gear issue.. I'm not sure the company will throw the money at them anymore. Parts are quite valuable on the market now..
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by Canoehead » Tue Jan 01, 2019 9:02 pm

Splash wrote:
Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:39 pm
The 301s are the orginal Time Air machines of which there were 10. Does that mean all 10 will be withdrawn from service? If I'm correct there are 18 311s which in theory should be able to go through the lifetime extension program?
Air Ontario also had 4 301's in their fleet. Not sure how many of those remain (GMON, GNON, GUON and GVON).
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Re: Classic Dash replacement??

Post by fish4life » Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:18 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-140

basically a 300 series


these would be great 737-200 replacements
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-74
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