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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by proper » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:25 am

Yup...

He offers no plan....
Abundantly clear when he had the mic in YUL.
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by V1Vr » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:01 am

blueskiessabove wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:48 am
V1Vr wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:33 pm
blueskiessabove wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:05 pm


Will get more if it's turned down, AC is scared that's why there coming at us with a 17 year contract. Nobody offers that long of a contract if there not worried about pilots. Wait why not lock it in for 17 years! LOL
Doubt it.

Curious, when do you retire? I think I know who you are and if I'm right you stand to lose nothing if this is voted down.
It's better to be the bigger person but karma will come to play. And I think I know who this new elected LEC is have fun.
Thanks for the nice PM.
blueskiessabove wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:22 am
I'm amazed you have a vote
Title of the PM "Shitty FO"
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by LtDan » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:36 am

proper wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:25 am
Yup...

He offers no plan....
Abundantly clear when he had the mic in YUL.
His "speech" in YYC was an embarrassment to himself and anyone he represents. His whole nonsensical rant about the AC medical and the exchange/wild accusations he made? Way too far.. the exchange that followed was by far the most awkward and socially painful moments Ive experienced as any sort of professional. Brian gave a great speech about unity and working together that really resonated with me, and perhaps a few others.. so I suppose it explains why DC voted against him as well. It's a train wreck to watch. Please don't ask me how I really feel lol
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by blueskiessabove » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:04 pm

V1Vr wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:01 am
blueskiessabove wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:48 am
V1Vr wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:33 pm


Doubt it.

Curious, when do you retire? I think I know who you are and if I'm right you stand to lose nothing if this is voted down.
It's better to be the bigger person but karma will come to play. And I think I know who this new elected LEC is have fun.
Another Union driver lol such a sad state!

Thanks for the nice PM.
blueskiessabove wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:22 am
I'm amazed you have a vote
Title of the PM "Shitty FO"
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by blueskiessabove » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:05 pm

V1Vr wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:01 am
blueskiessabove wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:48 am
V1Vr wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:33 pm


Doubt it.

Curious, when do you retire? I think I know who you are and if I'm right you stand to lose nothing if this is voted down.
It's better to be the bigger person but karma will come to play. And I think I know who this new elected LEC is have fun.
Another Union driver lol such a sad state!

Thanks for the nice PM.
blueskiessabove wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:22 am
I'm amazed you have a vote
Title of the PM "Shitty FO"
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by blueskiessabove » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:07 pm

V1Vr wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:01 am
blueskiessabove wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:48 am
V1Vr wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:33 pm


Doubt it.

Curious, when do you retire? I think I know who you are and if I'm right you stand to lose nothing if this is voted down.
It's better to be the bigger person but karma will come to play. And I think I know who this new elected LEC is have fun.
Another Union driver lol such a sad state!

Thanks for the nice PM.

No Prob would do it again in a heart beat your an idiot.
blueskiessabove wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:22 am
I'm amazed you have a vote
Title of the PM "Shitty FO"
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V1Vr wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:01 am
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Will get more if it's turned down, AC is scared that's why there coming at us with a 17 year contract. Nobody offers that long of a contract if there not worried about pilots. Wait why not lock it in for 17 years! LOL
Doubt it.

Curious, when do you retire? I think I know who you are and if I'm right you stand to lose nothing if this is voted down.
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It's better to be the bigger person but karma will come to play. And I think I know who this new elected LEC is have fun.
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Thanks for the nice PM.

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I'm amazed you have a vote
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Title of the PM "Shitty FO"
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by Chevy1Ton » Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:18 pm

V1Vr is so wrong in so many states. Blueskiessabove comments are funny though and tells it how it is but my vote still is a big fat NO!
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by TheSocialChameleon » Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:55 pm

Alaska Airlines Performance Pay
Seattle Times. "About 21,800 employees nationwide at Alaska Airlines and Horizon Air will share a total of $120 million in annual performance bonuses in their paychecks Friday, an average payout of approximately $5,500, the company said Thursday as it reported 2018 earnings. Employees in Washington state will get $66 million of that total."

Meanwhile AC offer to buy our vote for 17yrs ~ $1300
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by proper » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:12 pm

Alaska, 298 aircraft including Horizon...all one corporation. Jazz currently 116...
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by V1Vr » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:15 pm

TheSocialChameleon wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:55 pm
Alaska Airlines Performance Pay
Seattle Times. "About 21,800 employees nationwide at Alaska Airlines and Horizon Air will share a total of $120 million in annual performance bonuses in their paychecks Friday, an average payout of approximately $5,500, the company said Thursday as it reported 2018 earnings. Employees in Washington state will get $66 million of that total."

Meanwhile AC offer to buy our vote for 17yrs ~ $1300
Haha
Sure would be nice to own your own flying, eh?
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by Yycjetdriver » Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:30 pm

(Calin and other AC/Jazz exec’s sitting around having beers)

Calin: “We will offer those dumb jazz pilots wages slightly higher than they make now, but less than pre 2015 wages. Not only that we will offer those wages on a 17 year contract.”

Another exec: “you realize theoretically 16 years from now they will be working for compensation packages less than they would have been earning like 25 years earlier?”

Calin” yup, hahahahahahahahhahahaa”

All the other AC execs: “hahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha”
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by 47north » Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:42 pm

Yycjetdriver wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 1:30 pm
(Calin and other AC/Jazz exec’s sitting around having beers)

Calin: “We will offer those dumb jazz pilots wages slightly higher than they make now, but less than pre 2015 wages. Not only that we will offer those wages on a 17 year contract.”

Another exec: “you realize theoretically 16 years from now they will be working for compensation packages less than they would have been earning like 25 years earlier?”

Calin” yup, hahahahahahahahhahahaa”

All the other AC execs: “hahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha”
Or alternatively.

Calin: “I can’t believe they turned down the opportunity to consolidate the flying. Where is Russ Payton’s #?”

Another executive In Flight Ops: “Stupid idiots. Oh well draft a memo to HR - take Encore,WestJet,Sky, Georgian, CMA, PAL, Calm Air, Bearskin, Wasaya, First Air, Canadian North, anyone ahead of Jazz pilots. If they want to turn this opportunity down then f*** them.
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by tsgas » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:10 pm

TheSocialChameleon wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:55 pm
Alaska Airlines Performance Pay
Seattle Times. "About 21,800 employees nationwide at Alaska Airlines and Horizon Air will share a total of $120 million in annual performance bonuses in their paychecks Friday, an average payout of approximately $5,500, the company said Thursday as it reported 2018 earnings. Employees in Washington state will get $66 million of that total."

Meanwhile AC offer to buy our vote for 17yrs ~ $1300
Haha
There is a cost to socialism . Canada has some of the highest taxes in the World . Carbon taxes , Nav Canada fees, YYZ with some of the highest landing feees in the World, a weak CAD makes A/c and mtce costs higher than the USA.

The solution is to send a CV to Alaska Airlines. :lol:
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by V1Vr » Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:00 pm

tsgas wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:10 pm
TheSocialChameleon wrote:
Fri Jan 25, 2019 12:55 pm
Alaska Airlines Performance Pay
Seattle Times. "About 21,800 employees nationwide at Alaska Airlines and Horizon Air will share a total of $120 million in annual performance bonuses in their paychecks Friday, an average payout of approximately $5,500, the company said Thursday as it reported 2018 earnings. Employees in Washington state will get $66 million of that total."

Meanwhile AC offer to buy our vote for 17yrs ~ $1300
Haha
There is a cost to socialism . Canada has some of the highest taxes in the World . Carbon taxes , Nav Canada fees, YYZ with some of the highest landing feees in the World, a weak CAD makes A/c and mtce costs higher than the USA.

The solution is to send a CV to Alaska Airlines. :lol:
I'd go work in the USA in a heartbeat. Problem is, I can't. Same when people compare their regionals to ours. What's the minimum requirement again to fly equivalent machines? Oh right, 1500 hours and an atpl.
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by 800man » Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:48 pm

The entire airline community in Canada outside of Jazz is watching this vote guys. How do you think you'll be viewed if it passes? You'll be branded with this for years to come. You know you're allowed to say no right? You're born with a spine. Use it, or you're simply a Darwinian case study
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by Yycjetdriver » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:09 pm

800man wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:48 pm
The entire airline community in Canada outside of Jazz is watching this vote guys. How do you think you'll be viewed if it passes? You'll be branded with this for years to come. You know you're allowed to say no right? You're born with a spine. Use it, or you're simply a Darwinian case study
+1.
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by KenoraPilot » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:45 pm

800man wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:48 pm
The entire airline community in Canada outside of Jazz is watching this vote guys. How do you think you'll be viewed if it passes? You'll be branded with this for years to come. You know you're allowed to say no right? You're born with a spine. Use it, or you're simply a Darwinian case study
Classy, what airline do you fly for?
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:55 pm

For years Jazz guys have been bashing other airlines for lowering the bar.
Now is YOUR chance to do something about it!
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by 47north » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:17 pm

800man wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:48 pm
The entire airline community in Canada outside of Jazz is watching this vote guys. How do you think you'll be viewed if it passes? You'll be branded with this for years to come. You know you're allowed to say no right? You're born with a spine. Use it, or you're simply a Darwinian case study
I could care less what other people think.

Bringing the bulk of the AC Express contract under one contract will go a long way to stop the whipsawing that got us here in the first place.

The bulk of that flying will then fall under the contract with the best working conditions in the country, certainly on the regional side. Arguably we have the best contract in the country- pay not withstanding. Ask any Jazz pilot that has gone to AC and they will confirm this.

When the whipsawing stops, that is when the pay will go up. Voting this down will just perpetuate the ability to play one group off against another. Having a ‘spine’ as you say is helping to stop that.
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by Yycjetdriver » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:12 pm

47north wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:17 pm
800man wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:48 pm
The entire airline community in Canada outside of Jazz is watching this vote guys. How do you think you'll be viewed if it passes? You'll be branded with this for years to come. You know you're allowed to say no right? You're born with a spine. Use it, or you're simply a Darwinian case study
I could care less what other people think.

Bringing the bulk of the AC Express contract under one contract will go a long way to stop the whipsawing that got us here in the first place.

The bulk of that flying will then fall under the contract with the best working conditions in the country, certainly on the regional side. Arguably we have the best contract in the country- pay not withstanding. Ask any Jazz pilot that has gone to AC and they will confirm this.

When the whipsawing stops, that is when the pay will go up. Voting this down will just perpetuate the ability to play one group off against another. Having a ‘spine’ as you say is helping to stop that.
🤦‍♂️

Best contract in the country, pay not withstanding. So your compensation package is the best minus the compensation. Makes sense, heck making money isnt the important part of working.
Can’t afford to buy a decent house, or feed a family decent meals, but my you should see my health care benefits.
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by V1Vr » Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:21 pm

Yycjetdriver wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:12 pm
47north wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:17 pm
800man wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:48 pm
The entire airline community in Canada outside of Jazz is watching this vote guys. How do you think you'll be viewed if it passes? You'll be branded with this for years to come. You know you're allowed to say no right? You're born with a spine. Use it, or you're simply a Darwinian case study
I could care less what other people think.

Bringing the bulk of the AC Express contract under one contract will go a long way to stop the whipsawing that got us here in the first place.

The bulk of that flying will then fall under the contract with the best working conditions in the country, certainly on the regional side. Arguably we have the best contract in the country- pay not withstanding. Ask any Jazz pilot that has gone to AC and they will confirm this.

When the whipsawing stops, that is when the pay will go up. Voting this down will just perpetuate the ability to play one group off against another. Having a ‘spine’ as you say is helping to stop that.
🤦‍♂️

Best contract in the country, pay not withstanding. So your compensation package is the best minus the compensation. Makes sense, heck making money isnt the important part of working.
Can’t afford to buy a decent house, or feed a family decent meals, but my you should see my health care benefits.
Well hold on a minute though. Jazz pilots actually make the most when you look at the whole contract.

Prove me wrong.

What's that? GGN pension %1 after 5 years?
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by Yycjetdriver » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:08 pm

V1Vr wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:21 pm
Yycjetdriver wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:12 pm
47north wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:17 pm


I could care less what other people think.

Bringing the bulk of the AC Express contract under one contract will go a long way to stop the whipsawing that got us here in the first place.

The bulk of that flying will then fall under the contract with the best working conditions in the country, certainly on the regional side. Arguably we have the best contract in the country- pay not withstanding. Ask any Jazz pilot that has gone to AC and they will confirm this.

When the whipsawing stops, that is when the pay will go up. Voting this down will just perpetuate the ability to play one group off against another. Having a ‘spine’ as you say is helping to stop that.
🤦‍♂️

Best contract in the country, pay not withstanding. So your compensation package is the best minus the compensation. Makes sense, heck making money isnt the important part of working.
Can’t afford to buy a decent house, or feed a family decent meals, but my you should see my health care benefits.
Well hold on a minute though. Jazz pilots actually make the most when you look at the whole contract.

Prove me wrong.

What's that? GGN pension %1 after 5 years?
I’m not saying they don’t make the most of the other regionals, I don’t know what the other regionals earn. I never once said below industry standard, I’m saying below value. Bottom line the pay is too low and the fact guys are willing to vote yes to lock that in for 17 years is appalling. If this contract is locked in you can guarantee yourself the day will come within the next 17 years where Jazz pilots will be the lowest paid.

Comparing to Georgian, way to shoot for the stars.
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by V1Vr » Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:32 pm

Yycjetdriver wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 8:08 pm
V1Vr wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:21 pm
Yycjetdriver wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 7:12 pm


🤦‍♂️

Best contract in the country, pay not withstanding. So your compensation package is the best minus the compensation. Makes sense, heck making money isnt the important part of working.
Can’t afford to buy a decent house, or feed a family decent meals, but my you should see my health care benefits.
Well hold on a minute though. Jazz pilots actually make the most when you look at the whole contract.

Prove me wrong.

What's that? GGN pension %1 after 5 years?
I’m not saying they don’t make the most of the other regionals, I don’t know what the other regionals earn. I never once said below industry standard, I’m saying below value. Bottom line the pay is too low and the fact guys are willing to vote yes to lock that in for 17 years is appalling. If this contract is locked in you can guarantee yourself the day will come within the next 17 years where Jazz pilots will be the lowest paid.

Comparing to Georgian, way to shoot for the stars.
I agree. We're all worth more. I just don't think we'll get to where we need to be in one swing.
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by Kaykay » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:43 pm

800man wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:48 pm
The entire airline community in Canada outside of Jazz is watching this vote guys. How do you think you'll be viewed if it passes? You'll be branded with this for years to come. You know you're allowed to say no right? You're born with a spine. Use it, or you're simply a Darwinian case study
It’s cute how you think any of the Jazz pilots care what you think of them.
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Re: 17 year TA?

Post by HansDietrich » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:29 am

Kaykay wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:43 pm
800man wrote:
Sat Jan 26, 2019 3:48 pm
The entire airline community in Canada outside of Jazz is watching this vote guys. How do you think you'll be viewed if it passes? You'll be branded with this for years to come. You know you're allowed to say no right? You're born with a spine. Use it, or you're simply a Darwinian case study
It’s cute how you think any of the Jazz pilots care what you think of them.
Yup. This whole charade, on behalf of all pilots, is laughable. You think anyone cares? Pilots eat their young. We're all a bunch of sell outs, whether we fly for Keystone (RIP), Georgian, Westwind, Encore, Jazz, Sunwing,WJ or AC. All it matters is "me" and "now". Very few have the spinal chord and morality to stand for what's right.

I certainly haven't. After all, I worked for shitty pay at 703s and at Jazz. Now I fly an old f*ck with lots of money, that's slowly going senile. At least he pays me well. Every day I look in the mirror and I hate my (pilot) self. I need to quit this industry.
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