truedude wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:54 pm
[quote=mbav8r post_id=<a href="tel:1068529">1068529</a> time=<a href="tel:1549459633">1549459633</a> user_id=8159]
[quote=truedude post_id=<a href="tel:1068499">1068499</a> time=<a href="tel:1549420926">1549420926</a> user_id=1348]
Stop trying to argue there is a shortage with these guys... They clearly lack a basic understanding of how shortages are measured or what constitutes a shortage. They would argue that every time they drop a bucket and it comes up full, there is clearly no concern of the well running dry.
There is a very small batch of pilots being trained in Canada, and nearly all airlines in Canada are pulling from that same resource... It will implode eventually. Until that day they will fill ground schools and these idiots will keep telling you there is no shortage. But of course you don't go from filling ground schools with 5000 hr pilots to sub 1000hr and say that everything is the same. Those metrics are markers, and they tell you something about the resource you are drawing from. But hey, feel safe that you just condemned Canadian aviation to a shitty 17 year deal because you were scared.
GGN was a failed experiment and was going to die. Sky will follow. Neither of them were truly set up to staff their airline with 250hr pilots. We could have sat back and watched them both die a slow death. Instead, we bailed both Air Canada out, and Jazz, and they somehow convinced 70% of our pilots that they were somehow doing us a favour. Everyone keeps arguing about 2010 as if the market is the same as 2010. Things change. The world has changed. You don't try to conduct business the same way, and you don't negotiate pretending things are the same. But whatever, it is what it is.
Nice to know you think so highly of your colleagues, that being said, no one is saying the landscape hasn’t changed but only an idiot thinks the landscape can’t go the other direction. You clearly haven’t been through a cycle, one where 5000 hours got you an interview for a Navajo job or 3000 hours to fly a 207.
We made gains now, 2025 could have gone either way based on the economy and retirements slowing down but I guess your crystal ball is better than 70% of us.
If my colleagues want to tell me how the breaking was at a certain airport, or give me some inside tips about going to an airport I have never been to, I am all ears. But if these same colleagues want to prattle on how about how there is no pilot shortage in Canada, then I have no time for their ill informed "opinion." And it certainly won't stop me from pointing out just how wrong they are... On Avcanada, or in the crewroom. Same goes for if they want to tell me what happened the last time we took a stand against AC and got our bottoms slapped.
The world changes, the industry changes, the demographics change. You can't apply yesterdays rules and thinking to what is happening today. World War III will not be fought using the same strategies as World War II. The French applied the same tactics to World War II as they used in World War I and that just got them occupied.
There is a pilot shortage, it is clear to see for anyone who wants to look at the numbers. Simply using "they can fill groundschools" as an argument against the shortage is ridiculous.
People voted for this insane 17yr deal because they were scared. Scared of change. Scared of what happened in 2010. Scared they wouldn't be able to go to Air Canada. Scared about what might happen in 2025. But make no mistake, it was fear that passed this contract, not rational reasoned thinking based in the reality of today's industry and pilot market.
So go ahead and tell yourself that you voted "yes" because this provides security (even though there is not such thing in life). Tell yourself this unites the regional pilots and gives us better bargaining power (it doesn't). Tell yourself that at least Calin likes us now and won't do what he did in 2010 again (every airline that pops up will be unionized and ill equipped to hire 250hr pilots). Use what ever post hawk reasoning you want to to justify your position, just don't tell me I need to respect the idiocy of that position.
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Ok, couple things, it’s braking!
Next, has one ground school gone unfilled, has one left seat gone empty because we didn’t have any qualified pilots, I know the answer but apparently to you a shortage means something else.
This is the last time I will engage you because I simply don’t like you, you’re an arrogant self centred millennial, that’s clear.
We are not at war with management, whether this was fear driven or not is irrelevant because it’s based on rational conclusions from past experience.
We are way overdue for a recession, or do you think the economy is now recession proof because we must have learned from the past mistakes, right.
In my 30 years in this industry, I have never seen the good times this good or last this long but only a friggen moron thinks it’ll keep going this way, unfortunately you’re too ignorant to realize it.
Tell you what, I’ll still be on avcanada come 2025, I’m sure, if we’ve gone until then without having some type of meltdown that causes some type of slowdown, I’ll buy you a bottle of something, your choice(not top shelf though) I didn’t get a raise, so you could, you’re welcome!