TA Passed.

[TheStig]

How does the contract at Jazz compare to Encore?

[daedalusx]

Pretty sure he left GGN long time a go.

Ha, I flew with this guy. What a train wreck. He was pushed from GGN. Last I heard he was flying in Burma. I heard about the pillow. What happened with locking an FO out?

He got into a small petty argument on the way into YPR if I remember, on the way back to YVR he waited till the FO went for a piss then never let him back for a undetermined period of time (rumor has it, it was a good 20-30min). It is one of the reason that Jazz implemented and kept the FA in the flight deck policy. Unbelievably, he wasn't fired for this (although I'm sure it got him on thin ice). The story why he got fired is much more hilarious.

[rudder]

How does the contract at Jazz compare to Encore?

There is a graphic out there of Jazz (old rates and new rates), GGN, Skyregional and Encore.

It is not pretty. Jazz looks a little bad FO 1-4 but after that Jazz is light years above the others.

[V1Vr]

How does the contract at Jazz compare to Encore?

There is a graphic out there of Jazz (old rates and new rates), GGN, Skyregional and Encore.

It is not pretty. Jazz looks a little bad FO 1-4 but after that Jazz is light years above the others.

Here we go again.

Look past the starting pay.

Encore has no min day, no 85 hours of sick time a year, everyone works 18-19 days a month, low per diems, no trip or duty rig, health insurance is ok but not anywhere near what Jazz has.

Starting pay is only one tiny small part of the picture.

I compared pay checks to a friend of mine at Encore and it's not pretty. He works 18 days a month and takes home less than I do. I work 4 days less than him on average and make more money. Some days he gets paid less than two hours of pay! No credit for DHd they only get paid when operating so have fun deadheading from YYC to YYZ to operate a Tbay turn and make 3 hours.

You also top out way sooner at Encore, so when you inevitably get stuck at Encore have fun making even less.

[av8ts]

Pretty sure he left GGN long time a go.

Ha, I flew with this guy. What a train wreck. He was pushed from GGN. Last I heard he was flying in Burma. I heard about the pillow. What happened with locking an FO out?

He got into a small petty argument on the way into YPR if I remember, on the way back to YVR he waited till the FO went for a piss then never let him back for a undetermined period of time (rumor has it, it was a good 20-30min). It is one of the reason that Jazz implemented and kept the FA in the flight deck policy. Unbelievably, he wasn't fired for this (although I'm sure it got him on thin ice). The story why he got fired is much more hilarious.

The fa in the flight deck no longer applies for the Q or RJ

[flyzam]

The story why he got fired is much more hilarious.

oh go on then

[tps8903]

How does the contract at Jazz compare to Encore?

There is a graphic out there of Jazz (old rates and new rates), GGN, Skyregional and Encore.

It is not pretty. Jazz looks a little bad FO 1-4 but after that Jazz is light years above the others.

Here we go again.

Look past the starting pay.

Encore has no min day, no 85 hours of sick time a year, everyone works 18-19 days a month, low per diems, no trip or duty rig, health insurance is ok but not anywhere near what Jazz has.

Starting pay is only one tiny small part of the picture.

I compared pay checks to a friend of mine at Encore and it's not pretty. He works 18 days a month and takes home less than I do. I work 4 days less than him on average and make more money. Some days he gets paid less than two hours of pay! No credit for DHd they only get paid when operating so have fun deadheading from YYC to YYZ to operate a Tbay turn and make 3 hours.

You also top out way sooner at Encore, so when you inevitably get stuck at Encore have fun making even less.

I don't know where you get your information.

Encore has an unlimited sick bank.

Encore has a maximum of 18 working days a month.

The average number of days worked per month is published with each schedule and is 16 days per month at both bases.

Per Diems are $3.2581/h TAFB

Deadheads are paid at half credit

You won't get stuck at Encore because there is guaranteed flow to Mainline. Not 90% success rate of 60% of spots, 100% success rate of 50% of spots.

I'm not saying Encore is better, but at least fact check.

[skytrucker]

Pretty sure he left GGN long time a go.

Ha, I flew with this guy. What a train wreck. He was pushed from GGN. Last I heard he was flying in Burma. I heard about the pillow. What happened with locking an FO out?

He got into a small petty argument on the way into YPR if I remember, on the way back to YVR he waited till the FO went for a piss then never let him back for a undetermined period of time (rumor has it, it was a good 20-30min). It is one of the reason that Jazz implemented and kept the FA in the flight deck policy. Unbelievably, he wasn't fired for this (although I'm sure it got him on thin ice). The story why he got fired is much more hilarious.

Ok I know who you mean. Likes his food . 2 sides to every story . He was not pushed from GGN . He quit because of safety concerns . Coming from Jazz to GGN must be hard . Jazz follows SOPs and they have excellent maintenance. I was his f/o a couple of times at GGN and he actually dealt with some challenging issues that a less experienced guy may have gotten into trouble with. Plus I saw him handle the craziest flight attendant on the line. When I say crazy , I mean bat shit certifiable . He handled her better than anyone. Maybe they were a match made for each other. We got to YYZ and he went to the crew room and called the CP and put a stop to her shit . She is a hefty fire spitting beast who could probably wrestle him to the ground but he was not having any of her crap or door slamming tactics . BTW - The flight deck door policy started because of German Wings. The only thing I will say about him is he was not poster boy or Mr. personality. But if you did your job he would bury his nose in his newspaper and leave you alone . Old Dicky was a character , I'll say that about him.

[mbav8r]

How about we don’t cherry pick the best one, oh and Mesa is IPAD approved, they generously give you a revolving 40/mth iPad reimbursement.
Year CRJ700 CRJ900 E175
20 99 108 105
19 98 105 102
18 96 103 100
17 95 101 98
16 93 99 96
15 92 96 94
14 89 94 91
13 87 92 89
12 84 90 86
11 82 87 84
10 80 84 81
9 77 82 79
8 75 79 77
7 73 77 75
6 71 75 73
5 69 73 71
4 67 71 69
3 65 69 67
2 64 67 65
1 62 64 63


Year TJET
20 52
19 52
18 52
17 52
16 52
15 52
14 51
13 50
12 49
11 47
10 45
9 44
8 43
7 42
6 41
5 39
4 38
3 38
2 38
1 36

[mbav8r]

Skywest is so generous, they give 130% over 87 credits. A huuuggge 7500.00 signing bonus.1-2% raise each year from 2020-2022
Yep, so much better in the US
YearCRJ200 CRJ700CRJ900 E175
20 116 122 125 123
19 115 121 124 122
18 114 120 122 121
17 113 119 121 120
16 112 118 120 119
15 110 116 118 116
14 107 113 115 113
13 103 110 111 110
12 101 107 109 107
11 97 103 105 103
10 95 100 102 101
9 92 97 99 97
8 89 94 96 94
7 87 92 93 92
6 84 89 90 89
5 82 86 88 87
4 79 84 85 84
3 77 82 83 82
2 75 80 81 80
1 73 78 79 78
Year CRJ200 CRJ700 CRJ900 E175
8 60 60 60 60
7 59 59 59 59
6 58 58 58 58
5 57 57 57 57
4 56 56 56 56
3 55 55 55 55
2 50 50 50 50
1 45 45 45 45

[mbav8r]

Big signing bonus to cover up the crap pay, lipstick on a pig is still a pig.
Alaska Airlines Pilot Pathway Program makes it a no-hassle proposition. Alaska Airlines commits to hiring at least 30% of its new hires from Horizon Air.
Year E175 Q400
18 119 119
17 116 116
16 112 112
15 109 109
14 106 106
13 103 103
12 100 100
11 97 97
10 94 94
9 90 90
8 87 87
7 84 84
6 81 81
5 79 79
4 77 77
3 74 74
2 72 72
1 70 70
Year E175 Q400
18 52 52
17 52 52
16 52 52
15 52 52
14 52 52
13 52 52
12 52 52
11 52 52
10 52 52
9 52 52
8 52 52
7 51 51
6 50 50
5 49 49
4 48 48
3 47 47
2 46 46
1 40 40

[JohnnyHotRocks]

Stop trying to make yourself feel better. Jazz is the best regional in Canuckistan but there are far better deals to be had in ALL areas of aviation down south. That is a fact.

[rudder]

ALPA has a great big Economic and Financial Analysis Department.

Get them to make a chart. Using an updated and properly formatted spreadsheet, takes almost no time.

A picture is worth one thousand words.

[av8ts]

Stop trying to make yourself feel better. Jazz is the best regional in Canuckistan but there are far better deals to be had in ALL areas of aviation down south. That is a fact.

As I’ve said in the past. They can quadruple the pay and I still wouldn’t go to Murica. I happen to love Canuckistan

[JohnnyHotRocks]

To each their own of course

[mbav8r]

Stop trying to make yourself feel better. Jazz is the best regional in Canuckistan but there are far better deals to be had in ALL areas of aviation down south. That is a fact.

Well if all these pilots would just go there instead of accepting the crap pay we would have to raise the pay to keep them, oh yah, they can’t.
It’s called selective memory, the US regionals started the race, no, led the race to the bottom, now that they can’t just throw any 250 hour wonder into the right seat, they are giving out signing or retention bonuses. Some have improved conditions but overall the crap pay remains.
What do you think would happen here if we couldn’t just hire any old CPL?
Instead we’ve filled well over a thousand vacancies in the last few years, hardly seems like a shortage.
Let me be perfectly clear, we took a stand in 2010, we raised the bottom pay up to within 3,000 of the AC starting pay, we voted to stop the race. For our stand, 98% of us, we were rewarded with Sky Regional and GGN, both who undercut our wages.
SR wages have come up since, can you guess why, they were have trouble filling vacancies, GGN too but they still managed to keep trucking.
So, pardon me for not sacrificing the remainder of my career, what are you doing to make the industry better Johnny?

[Rowdy]

mb, Dollar for dollar, the US regionals have more buying power. Whats forty trump bucks worth here? 40x 1.3 = $52. Even lowest paid Tjet at $37/hr is $48hr canadian. Get ready for us to be doing all the US transborder flying, undercutting those fine folk to the south in those fancy 900's we're getting from Skywest. I'm sure they'll be pleased to see you in the terminals.

How much is a house in any of skywests bases? How about mesa? Commutair? I looked. You could buy my 800k fraser valley home in most of their domiciles for 250k US or 325k canuck bucks and I'm over an hour and fifteen min. drive. Lets look at that cost too..

Gas here in YVR is 1.39/l or 5.28/gal. Right across the line in bellingham.. 2.35gal.. which even with the conversion works out to .80/L

I could continue to point out all the higher costs associated with living here or at any of the Canadian Jazz base cities, but I'm sure you get the point.

Have you personally scrutinized their contracts? I have.. They're close to par with us when it comes to scheduling and benefits.

Don't forget the US jump seat is wide open. Unlike ours.

Oh, and lets not even talk about their getting 10-20-30k bonuses. But I guess I should be proud to have a canadian industry leading $1300 pre tax bonus for a 17yr deal.

[V1Vr]

mb, Dollar for dollar, the US regionals have more buying power. Whats forty trump bucks worth here? 40x 1.3 = $52. Even lowest paid Tjet at $37/hr is $48hr canadian. Get ready for us to be doing all the US transborder flying, undercutting those fine folk to the south in those fancy 900's we're getting from Skywest. I'm sure they'll be pleased to see you in the terminals.

How much is a house in any of skywests bases? How about mesa? Commutair? I looked. You could buy my 800k fraser valley home in most of their domiciles for 250k US or 325k canuck bucks and I'm over an hour and fifteen min. drive. Lets look at that cost too..

Gas here in YVR is 1.39/l or 5.28/gal. Right across the line in bellingham.. 2.35gal.. which even with the conversion works out to .80/L

I could continue to point out all the higher costs associated with living here or at any of the Canadian Jazz base cities, but I'm sure you get the point.

Have you personally scrutinized their contracts? I have.. They're close to par with us when it comes to scheduling and benefits.

Don't forget the US jump seat is wide open. Unlike ours.

Oh, and lets not even talk about their getting 10-20-30k bonuses. But I guess I should be proud to have a canadian industry leading $1300 pre tax bonus for a 17yr deal.

Do you buy your things in US dollars?

Do Americans buy their things in Canadian dollars?

That's not how economies and economics work. It's a moot point.

Take a look at the majority of the bases for the us regionals. Big cities, high COL, many pilots even with current pay all commute because they can't afford it. You mention Commutair, well their Jr base is EWR so let's see you buy a house anywhere near NYC on regional salary.

I don't think you've actually "scrutinized" anything.

Go take a look at how much money they lose each check for medical premiums...

How about mat leave? Right... Nothing.

85 credits of paid no questions asked sick time? Nope.

2 weeks vacation to start up to what, like 6? Nope.

4.5 min day? Nope.

Trip and duty rig? Most of them, nope.

No airport reserve.. Nope.

12 min days off? Some of them but most, nope.

Undercutting US regionals to fly trans border? Nope. Total cost of our contract per pilot including EVERYTHING is more money.

You yourself said you made $80+k last year working 6 days a month. I'm guessing you're on RTB? Or volunteer reserve? Good luck trying to do that at ANY US regional. Your lifestyle wouldn't not be anything like it is right now. If you want the big money as you put it, well go sell that 800k house and apply at AirWis or Commutair, they sponsor Canadians.

[Rowdy]

mb, Dollar for dollar, the US regionals have more buying power. Whats forty trump bucks worth here? 40x 1.3 = $52. Even lowest paid Tjet at $37/hr is $48hr canadian. Get ready for us to be doing all the US transborder flying, undercutting those fine folk to the south in those fancy 900's we're getting from Skywest. I'm sure they'll be pleased to see you in the terminals.

How much is a house in any of skywests bases? How about mesa? Commutair? I looked. You could buy my 800k fraser valley home in most of their domiciles for 250k US or 325k canuck bucks and I'm over an hour and fifteen min. drive. Lets look at that cost too..

Gas here in YVR is 1.39/l or 5.28/gal. Right across the line in bellingham.. 2.35gal.. which even with the conversion works out to .80/L

I could continue to point out all the higher costs associated with living here or at any of the Canadian Jazz base cities, but I'm sure you get the point.

Have you personally scrutinized their contracts? I have.. They're close to par with us when it comes to scheduling and benefits.

Don't forget the US jump seat is wide open. Unlike ours.

Oh, and lets not even talk about their getting 10-20-30k bonuses. But I guess I should be proud to have a canadian industry leading $1300 pre tax bonus for a 17yr deal.

Do you buy your things in US dollars?

Do Americans buy their things in Canadian dollars?

That's not how economies and economics work. It's a moot point.

Take a look at the majority of the bases for the us regionals. Big cities, high COL, many pilots even with current pay all commute because they can't afford it. You mention Commutair, well their Jr base is EWR so let's see you buy a house anywhere near NYC on regional salary.

I don't think you've actually "scrutinized" anything.

Go take a look at how much money they lose each check for medical premiums...

How about mat leave? Right... Nothing.

85 credits of paid no questions asked sick time? Nope.

2 weeks vacation to start up to what, like 6? Nope.

4.5 min day? Nope.

Trip and duty rig? Most of them, nope.

No airport reserve.. Nope.

12 min days off? Some of them but most, nope.

Undercutting US regionals to fly trans border? Nope. Total cost of our contract per pilot including EVERYTHING is more money.

You yourself said you made $80+k last year working 6 days a month. I'm guessing you're on RTB? Or volunteer reserve? Good luck trying to do that at ANY US regional. Your lifestyle wouldn't not be anything like it is right now. If you want the big money as you put it, well go sell that 800k house and apply at AirWis or Commutair, they sponsor Canadians.

I hope you're not one of our union negotiators.

[V1Vr]

mb, Dollar for dollar, the US regionals have more buying power. Whats forty trump bucks worth here? 40x 1.3 = $52. Even lowest paid Tjet at $37/hr is $48hr canadian. Get ready for us to be doing all the US transborder flying, undercutting those fine folk to the south in those fancy 900's we're getting from Skywest. I'm sure they'll be pleased to see you in the terminals.

How much is a house in any of skywests bases? How about mesa? Commutair? I looked. You could buy my 800k fraser valley home in most of their domiciles for 250k US or 325k canuck bucks and I'm over an hour and fifteen min. drive. Lets look at that cost too..

Gas here in YVR is 1.39/l or 5.28/gal. Right across the line in bellingham.. 2.35gal.. which even with the conversion works out to .80/L

I could continue to point out all the higher costs associated with living here or at any of the Canadian Jazz base cities, but I'm sure you get the point.

Have you personally scrutinized their contracts? I have.. They're close to par with us when it comes to scheduling and benefits.

Don't forget the US jump seat is wide open. Unlike ours.

Oh, and lets not even talk about their getting 10-20-30k bonuses. But I guess I should be proud to have a canadian industry leading $1300 pre tax bonus for a 17yr deal.

Do you buy your things in US dollars?

Do Americans buy their things in Canadian dollars?

That's not how economies and economics work. It's a moot point.

Take a look at the majority of the bases for the us regionals. Big cities, high COL, many pilots even with current pay all commute because they can't afford it. You mention Commutair, well their Jr base is EWR so let's see you buy a house anywhere near NYC on regional salary.

I don't think you've actually "scrutinized" anything.

Go take a look at how much money they lose each check for medical premiums...

How about mat leave? Right... Nothing.

85 credits of paid no questions asked sick time? Nope.

2 weeks vacation to start up to what, like 6? Nope.

4.5 min day? Nope.

Trip and duty rig? Most of them, nope.

No airport reserve.. Nope.

12 min days off? Some of them but most, nope.

Undercutting US regionals to fly trans border? Nope. Total cost of our contract per pilot including EVERYTHING is more money.

You yourself said you made $80+k last year working 6 days a month. I'm guessing you're on RTB? Or volunteer reserve? Good luck trying to do that at ANY US regional. Your lifestyle wouldn't not be anything like it is right now. If you want the big money as you put it, well go sell that 800k house and apply at AirWis or Commutair, they sponsor Canadians.

I hope you're not one of our union negotiators.

Just a pilot who's done some research.

Care to reply to anything I said or are you just trying to deflect?