Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Discuss topics relating to Jazz Aviation LP.

Moderators: ahramin, sky's the limit, Sulako, North Shore

User avatar
TheSocialChameleon
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 74
Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:49 pm

Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by TheSocialChameleon » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:31 pm

For those thinking about joining Jazz. Here is part of the pay scale to help with your decision. Multiply the hourly rate by ~80hrs/month. Add on another $1000/month in per diems.

Cheers


E6348877-DC63-4175-98DB-B3217F489AFA.jpeg
E6348877-DC63-4175-98DB-B3217F489AFA.jpeg (300.97 KiB) Viewed 4514 times
---------- ADS -----------
  
Hate me or Like me. Both days I get paid.

V1Vr
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 126
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:29 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by V1Vr » Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:40 pm

Also consider the following YOS credit for the left seat. Copied from another post I made the other day

YOS FO Credit for CA
3 -> 1
4 -> 2
5 -> 3
6 -> 4
7 -> 5
8 -> 6

If unable to hold CA after 8 years you accrue an additional 2 years to a maximum of 8 YOS carry over to CA as a year 10 FO.
---------- ADS -----------
  

Gonzodriver
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 38
Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:23 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by Gonzodriver » Fri Feb 01, 2019 7:54 pm

V1Vr wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:40 pm
Also consider the following YOS credit for the left seat. Copied from another post I made the other day

YOS FO Credit for CA
3 -> 1
4 -> 2
5 -> 3
6 -> 4
7 -> 5
8 -> 6

If unable to hold CA after 8 years you accrue an additional 2 years to a maximum of 8 YOS carry over to CA as a year 10 FO.
Anybody have a copy or link to the new contract?
---------- ADS -----------
  

DrSpaceman
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 96
Joined: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:03 am

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by DrSpaceman » Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:50 pm

It takes 18 years to reach top scale? 18??
---------- ADS -----------
  

V1Vr
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 126
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:29 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by V1Vr » Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:24 pm

DrSpaceman wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:50 pm
It takes 18 years to reach top scale? 18??
Pre 2015 it was 17. Then they stretched it out to 20.

Now it's back to 17, and the 18th year is an additional year added sometime in the future.
---------- ADS -----------
  

dogfood
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 92
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:39 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by dogfood » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:07 pm

So 38k a year that’s still pretty shit....
---------- ADS -----------
  

V1Vr
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 126
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:29 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by V1Vr » Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:22 pm

dogfood wrote:
Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:07 pm
So 38k a year that’s still pretty shit....
Yup.
---------- ADS -----------
  

LCflyguy
Rank 0
Rank 0
Posts: 12
Joined: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:12 am

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by LCflyguy » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:33 am

Considering you need very little experience to get hired there I'd say that ain't bad
---------- ADS -----------
  

av8ts
Rank 8
Rank 8
Posts: 793
Joined: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:31 am

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by av8ts » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:09 am

I think 38k a year is pretty good for someone with 250 hours
---------- ADS -----------
  

Babar350
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 101
Joined: Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:36 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by Babar350 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:53 am

av8ts wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:09 am
I think 38k a year is pretty good for someone with 250 hours
What about people already working in a 703 company either FO or Capt? Do you still think it's pretty good ?
What should we do? Get our licence from Seneca college and apply to Jazz without gaining some experience before?
---------- ADS -----------
  

User avatar
C-GGGQ
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1677
Joined: Mon May 21, 2007 12:33 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by C-GGGQ » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:56 am

Seeing how you can dang near make that at Timmies I wouldn't say 38k is good
---------- ADS -----------
  

rudder
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1794
Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:10 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by rudder » Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:59 am

Jazz new-hire pay remains an embarrassment for a carrier that is evolving to fleet with an average gauge of 70+seats.

That is contrasted with the fact that the hiring demographic includes a significant component of “first commercial flying job” candidates.

Hopefully market forces will drive Jazz to improve entry level pay to meet future hiring demand in competition with many other second and third tier carriers chasing the same shrinking pool of candidates.
---------- ADS -----------
  

User avatar
C-GGGQ
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1677
Joined: Mon May 21, 2007 12:33 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by C-GGGQ » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:05 am

Even 5-10k. Bump it to 45k and I'd pretty much agree that with likely more and more college grads getting slots making it "entry level" would be fair.
---------- ADS -----------
  

rudder
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1794
Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:10 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by rudder » Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:19 am

For some reason carriers like Jazz and AC have decided that new-hire pilots should serve 4 years of indentured servitude prior to earning their ‘pay’ wings. Notwithstanding current rapid upgrade opportunities at both carriers (which will evaporate over time), these de facto 4 year apprenticeship pay scales are an abomination at 2 of Canada’s largest and longest tenured UNIONISED airline pilot groups.

I know both pilot groups have back stories as to the circumstances of these pay arrangements, but both need to prioritize eliminating this aberration in the industry. It is not replicated on any other union property.
---------- ADS -----------
  

V1Vr
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 126
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:29 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by V1Vr » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:09 am

rudder wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:19 am
For some reason carriers like Jazz and AC have decided that new-hire pilots should serve 4 years of indentured servitude prior to earning their ‘pay’ wings. Notwithstanding current rapid upgrade opportunities at both carriers (which will evaporate over time), these de facto 4 year apprenticeship pay scales are an abomination at 2 of Canada’s largest and longest tenured UNIONISED airline pilot groups.

I know both pilot groups have back stories as to the circumstances of these pay arrangements, but both need to prioritize eliminating this aberration in the industry. It is not replicated on any other union property.
While I do agree to a point I am glad that this round they chose to focus on years 6+ for those of us who plan to make Jazz a career. There first few years will fix themselves when and if a pilot shortage actually appears.
---------- ADS -----------
  

GhostRider6
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 65
Joined: Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:14 am

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by GhostRider6 » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:20 am

There’s a misconception floating around that Jazz’s new employees are predominantly 250 hr wonders..this is not true.


I know of many people who were in the well over 3000+ range with jet, 705, heavy turboprop or a combination all of the above who went over to Jazz. I wouldn’t call these pilots inexperienced drivers.

Sad... indeed.

At the end of the day.. they made the move ..
---------- ADS -----------
  

flyingcanuck
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 109
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:55 am

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by flyingcanuck » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:52 am

I asked about it, The way they explain the pay is you'll either be at AC in a few years or upgrade so the low pay doesn't really matter
---------- ADS -----------
  

User avatar
C-GGGQ
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1677
Joined: Mon May 21, 2007 12:33 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by C-GGGQ » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:54 am

Oh for sure most of the new hires are not college grads. I was just implying that it will be a growing trend for all regionals like Jazz. The long thread on the Jazz pilot pool proves lots of these guys have significant time.
---------- ADS -----------
  

V1Vr
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 126
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:29 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by V1Vr » Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:58 am

If that's truly the case, you can understand why the company doesn't want to raise the wages. If they are still attracting people with time to come to Jazz and sit in the pool then they have no reason to increase it.

I gather the first place we'll see a "shortage" is in the ability to upgrade people, not getting them in the door.
---------- ADS -----------
  

User avatar
C-GGGQ
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1677
Joined: Mon May 21, 2007 12:33 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by C-GGGQ » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:01 am

I doubt even that. Even the 250's can get their 1500 and ATPL. Heck FO time doesn't even count as half anymore. You'll just see the pool dry up until jazz basically IS a cadet program. Though this new agreement leaving only 40% of slots to AC for ots will delay that.
---------- ADS -----------
  

goingnowherefast
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1585
Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:24 am

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by goingnowherefast » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:03 am

Don't forget the PIC time requirements for the ATPL. Can't afford to rent the 172 on 37 grand a year. Can't upgrade or flow to AC without that ATPL.
---------- ADS -----------
  

rudder
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1794
Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:10 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by rudder » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:08 am

C-GGGQ wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:01 am
I doubt even that. Even the 250's can get their 1500 and ATPL. Heck FO time doesn't even count as half anymore. You'll just see the pool dry up until jazz basically IS a cadet program. Though this new agreement leaving only 40% of slots to AC for ots will delay that.
It is not 40% OTS hiring for AC. The Skyregional pilots still have entitlements to a share of the “up to 80%” hiring commitment from AC for the Express group of pilot applicants to AC. I believe that EVAS has a small stake as well.

If there is an outcome that sees further Express consolidation, I would expect that the Jazz 60% criteria will have to rise to reflect that consolidation.
---------- ADS -----------
  

V1Vr
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 126
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:29 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by V1Vr » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:09 am

C-GGGQ wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:01 am
I doubt even that. Even the 250's can get their 1500 and ATPL. Heck FO time doesn't even count as half anymore. You'll just see the pool dry up until jazz basically IS a cadet program. Though this new agreement leaving only 40% of slots to AC for ots will delay that.
In a round about way I think we'll see more experienced people coming to Jazz now with the 60%. People who were waiting for OTS while flying 704 may find themselves waiting a long long time for a call. If AC is their goal, Jazz will become the defacto process to get there.
---------- ADS -----------
  

V1Vr
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 126
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:29 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by V1Vr » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:12 am

goingnowherefast wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:03 am
Don't forget the PIC time requirements for the ATPL. Can't afford to rent the 172 on 37 grand a year. Can't upgrade or flow to AC without that ATPL.
A number of college hires have all upgraded in the last 6 months after only just over two years at the company. PICUS is available if you can get it, and those with the foresight to realize their careers will fast track as soon as they have an ATPL will do what they can to get the time. Sky diving PT, LOA for three months to get PIC etc. There are ways, you just won't get it done sitting on your ass cruising along at Jazz. LOAs imo are the way to go. Anyone who needs pic time this summer should do that since we'll be overstaffed.
---------- ADS -----------
  

rudder
Rank (9)
Rank (9)
Posts: 1794
Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:10 pm

Re: Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

Post by rudder » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:22 am

V1Vr wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:12 am
Anyone who needs pic time this summer should do that since we'll be overstaffed.
How will Jazz be overstaffed while sending 240+ pilots (0.6 x 400) to AC over the next 12 months plus adding 5 CRJ900’s prior to year end?
---------- ADS -----------
  

Post Reply

Return to “Jazz Aviation LP - Air Canada Express”