Jazz Payscale Updated 2019

[fish4life]

what I can't figure out is why everyone thinks this contract is recession proof, everyone keeps mentioning security / how much they will make in 2035... If history is any lesson this contract will be revisited in some round of concessionary bargaining before 2035 ever hits.

[rudder]

what I can't figure out is why everyone thinks this contract is recession proof, everyone keeps mentioning security / how much they will make in 2035... If history is any lesson this contract will be revisited in some round of concessionary bargaining before 2035 ever hits.

Force Majeure. CCAA. Consent.

Those are the only triggers to go backwards.

So - 911. Unprecedented Global Recession. AC files for bankruptcy.

AC has the ability to roll the Jazz CPA back to fleet and utilization minimums which are well below the operational plan. Lots of buffer for AC. And that does NOT trigger any rollback to WAWCON in the Jazz pilot contract. That would require consent.

Jazz pilots on as solid ground as AC pilots for whatever that is worth.

[WF9F]

If anyone here thinks 38K is an OK wage for a starting position with any Airline, regardless of how much time you have, is an idiot.
After spending the time and huge amount of money to get a pilots licence and start under 55k is bad enough but 38K these days?!! Have a little self worth...
Pilots(idiots) who think like that the profession can do without.

[Outlaw58]

If anyone here thinks 38K is an OK wage for a starting position with any Airline, regardless of how much time you have, is an idiot.
After spending the time and huge amount of money to get a pilots licence and start under 55k is bad enough but 38K these days?!! Have a little self worth...
Pilots(idiots) who think like that the profession can do without.

Another thing the profession could do without is pontification.

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[WF9F]

Except when it’s needed

[KenoraPilot]

If anyone here thinks 38K is an OK wage for a starting position with any Airline, regardless of how much time you have, is an idiot.
After spending the time and huge amount of money to get a pilots licence and start under 55k is bad enough but 38K these days?!! Have a little self worth...
Pilots(idiots) who think like that the profession can do without.

Who do you work for? What Airline? Where did you work prior to that airline that pays 55K+?

[V1Vr]

If anyone here thinks 38K is an OK wage for a starting position with any Airline, regardless of how much time you have, is an idiot.
After spending the time and huge amount of money to get a pilots licence and start under 55k is bad enough but 38K these days?!! Have a little self worth...
Pilots(idiots) who think like that the profession can do without.

Who do you work for? What Airline? Where did you work prior to that airline that pays 55K+?

Yeah ida loved to make even 40k my first two jobs!

[daedalusx]

Lol. I made 55k my first year working up north. I’m glad you cucks are thrilled with living in YVR for 38K.

(Edit) Actually with inflation it was 61k.

[V1Vr]

Lol. I made 55k my first year working up north. I’m glad you cucks are thrilled with living in YVR for 38K.

(Edit) Actually with inflation it was 61k.

Problem is you lived "up north"... Not for everyone, no matter how much my last two bosses offered me to stay (secret, it wasn't a small amount) it wasn't enough.

[KenoraPilot]

Lol. I made 55k my first year working up north. I’m glad you cucks are thrilled with living in YVR for 38K.

(Edit) Actually with inflation it was 61k.

What is a cuck? Musta picked that up, up north?

[mixturerich]

At least someone can have a life in Vancouver, even on 38k. 55k up north doesn’t matter if you have nothing but beer to spend it on.

A lot of junior regional pilots are just toughing it out, because in the long run, one can make a $200k+ a year in 705 with a great pension and lifestyle to boot.

Better than being a washed up, bitter 703 driver on avcanada shitting on regional or long haul aviation, trying to justify why they didn’t choose it, or still not over the fact they got PFO’d, probably due to the poor attitude they have evident by the types of posts they make online. I’m not shitting on those who chose 703 and have their heart in it, and are happy, but for many of you outspoken avcanada users...you are a dime a dozen on here and your bitterness and resentment is sickeningly obvious. I honestly am sad for you.

Jazz is still a good job. Jazz or AC don’t need to be “embarrassed” about, or justify their starting salaries, because it’s all supply and demand. Student pilots know the costs and what they are getting themselves into. So let them choose their own paths. Those of you saying they are screwing over the next generation of pilots by accepting jobs for low pay, you probably aren’t even working in 705, so politely screw off and worry about yourselves.

[V1Vr]

At least someone can have a life in Vancouver, even on 38k. 55k up north doesn’t matter if you have nothing but beer to spend it on.

A lot of junior regional pilots are just toughing it out, because in the long run, one can make a $200k+ a year in 705 with a great pension and lifestyle to boot.

Better than being a washed up, bitter 703 driver on avcanada shitting on regional or long haul aviation, trying to justify why they didn’t choose it, or still not over the fact they got PFO’d, probably due to the poor attitude they have evident by the types of posts they make online. I’m not shitting on those who chose 703 and have their heart in it, and are happy, but for for many of you outspoken avcanada users...you are a dime a dozen on here and your bitterness and resentment is sickeningly obvious. I honestly am sad for you.

Jazz is still a good job. Jazz or AC don’t need to be “embarrassed” about, or justify their starting salaries, because it’s all supply and demand. Student pilots know the costs and what they are getting themselves into. So let them choose their own paths. Those of you saying they are screwing over the next generation of pilots by accepting jobs for low pay, you probably aren’t even working in 705, so politely screw off and worry about yourselves.

+1

[Yieldermatik]

Read my mind and eloquently expressed it the way it is!

At least someone can have a life in Vancouver, even on 38k. 55k up north doesn’t matter if you have nothing but beer to spend it on.

A lot of junior regional pilots are just toughing it out, because in the long run, one can make a $200k+ a year in 705 with a great pension and lifestyle to boot.

Better than being a washed up, bitter 703 driver on avcanada shitting on regional or long haul aviation, trying to justify why they didn’t choose it, or still not over the fact they got PFO’d, probably due to the poor attitude they have evident by the types of posts they make online. I’m not shitting on those who chose 703 and have their heart in it, and are happy, but for for many of you outspoken avcanada users...you are a dime a dozen on here and your bitterness and resentment is sickeningly obvious. I honestly am sad for you.

Jazz is still a good job. Jazz or AC don’t need to be “embarrassed” about, or justify their starting salaries, because it’s all supply and demand. Student pilots know the costs and what they are getting themselves into. So let them choose their own paths. Those of you saying they are screwing over the next generation of pilots by accepting jobs for low pay, you probably aren’t even working in 705, so politely screw off and worry about yourselves.

[speedah]

Lol. I made 55k my first year working up north. I’m glad you cucks are thrilled with living in YVR for 38K.

(Edit) Actually with inflation it was 61k.

I made 50 in my first year at jazz, and guess what,

I didn’t live in the middle of nowhere!

[KenoraPilot]

Should I find it funny that when I ask someone something ie: where they work? Are they a RPL, PPL, CPL, ATPL....drone pilot?.....it always surprises me to find out that so many people with "strong opinions" and those who like to "cut down" other people......often don't even have pilots licenses. Easy to judge when they themselves haven't been in our shoes. (Not saying everyone, but odd that most don't respond when I ask them a question) Who they work for or who they worked for in the past or what license they have won't even remove their anonymity. Just my uneducated two cents.

[daedalusx]

Lol. I made 55k my first year working up north. I’m glad you cucks are thrilled with living in YVR for 38K.

(Edit) Actually with inflation it was 61k.

I made 50 in my first year at jazz, and guess what,

I didn’t live in the middle of nowhere!

Well then you must be one of those guys with no family who works 26 days a month.
I made 37.4 on my T4 first year at Jazz with a mix of reserve and block and not a whole WDOs were available on the mighty -8. Add the commute and the crash pad, my net loss for that year was over 10k. Just throwing this out there for people who are thinking about making the switch. And the upgrades will certainly not come as quick as they have. Food for thought for those with a family to feed. I’ve certainly flown with a lot of financially distressed first officers.

Also keep in minds that Rovinescu is certainly grinning and rubbing his hands like an old used car merchant when you bring up how great it is to make sub 40k wages at a 705 ‘flag carrier’.

[V1Vr]

Deleted. Not taking the bait.

[Kaykay]

I always tell my family “it’s not what you make; it’s what you spend”. And sometimes controlling what you spend means making sacrifices or lifestyle adjustments. That’s not your employer’s problem, that’s your problem. It’s not nice, but it’s reality.

[Rowdy]

In my first year at Jazz I made 42k. Year one FO on the classic. I only occasionally did a WDO. Worked an average of 15 days a month. I brought home an average of 1300 a month in per diems, some times a bit more. If I remember correctly the total for the year was 16,500 in per diems.

Year One as captain I made 81k. I worked an average of 6 days a month (reserve). I averaged 600$ a month in per diems. IIRC the total for the year was 8300. Again, a small handful of WDO's throughout the year.

People need to stop looking at the bare minimums and look instead at the actual averages. Plus the little things add up. Our performance incentive, the maintenance and footwear allowances etc etc.

I also have another source of income, and have done well for myself with investments and property prior to coming to Jazz. Its a long term plan for me.

Jazz is not the company it was when I started in 2015. It certainly isn't the company it was pre 2015 either. Everything changes. It'll change again.

This new TA won't make me much more this year. But it will in another 2 years. Whats done is done and I hope our team can edge out a little more for us in the upcoming years.

[speedah]

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