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I have to agree with this point. TC should make something more respectful and challenging out of the A’s.
HansDietrich wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:18 am

4. Somehow got their ATPL flying VFR circuits... (That still boggles my mind, but that's something that TC needs to change)
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mixturerich wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 2:58 pm
Really sticking to your guns hey? Are you trying to make enemies with everyone on this site? Seems like you’re a regular poster who knows better than any pilot or manager out there. You’re sure opinionated!
Nah, not really. I'm not trying to make enemies. I'm just a little rough around the edges. I say what a lot of people think, but my English is not good enough to be "delicate" and "Canadian" about it. I have lots of faults. I'm certainly no prize myself.

The management at airlines don't give a rat's arse about the quality of pilots. They just want the ones that are YES men (and women) and sign cheap contracts. I don't think that's a secret.

Also, having worked at a "certain" company before, and gotten e-mails from "certain" managers about "why flight X Y or Z was late", when we clearly sent those messages via ACARs just tells you the "quality" of managers there. You know what I'm talking about.
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yhz41 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:20 pm
Dont worry man, Hans is just one of those people who is miserable about absolutely everything.
True. (everything aviation related)
yhz41 wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:20 pm
He also cant quite seem to let go of a company he swears up and down he hates. Get on with your life.
False. I don't hate Jazz. I never did. If I were 22, living in my parents' basement, flying an RJ and posting pics on social media I would have loved it. You are correct in the fact that I should probably stop posting on this forum. Even I'm getting tired of it.
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Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:20 pm
If the instructors want to be at jazz let them be at jazz. They'll certainly appreciate it unlike some people.
Of course they want to be. Compared to instructing, Jazz is amazing.
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HansDietrich wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:30 pm
False. If I were 22, living in my parents' basement, flying an RJ and posting pics on social media I would have loved it.
At least you can admit that! It is a pretty sweet life compared to your average 22 year old. Flying planes is fun.
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HansDietrich wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:22 pm

The management at airlines don't give a rat's arse about the quality of pilots. They just want the ones that are YES men (and women) and sign cheap contracts. I don't think that's a secret.

Also, having worked at a "certain" company before, and gotten e-mails from "certain" managers about "why flight X Y or Z was late", when we clearly sent those messages via ACARs just tells you the "quality" of managers there. You know what I'm talking about.
This is one of the most arrogant and misinformed posts I’ve read here. How long did you work at Jazz?
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500 TT, 200 of that is northern Navajo Chieftain time. Would they hire someone with this amount of time and no turbine experience and not from a pathways school?

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Nevermind if they are hiring with those numbers.

Apply, that is the only thing to do and update your profile every 100hrs. They will call you in due time.
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I never found instructors to be as bad as claimed in this thread.

I find they typically start out as awful as a 250hr wonder, but learn faster, and develop decision making abilities faster.

As for being arrogant, maybe it's a different training program. Does Jazz coddle their pilots and say "don't worry, we'll give you an extra $1000 sim session if you suck"? The training programs I'm used to put the onus on the candidate to learn. Its humbling to anybody to have helmit fire and realize that something is well beyond their knowledge and abilities. They quickly learn to stop bragging about their ATPL, and put 110% effort into learning what they thought they already knew.

Once on the line, instructors learn faster, and yes, eventually turn into better training captains.
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Saying things like instructors bad or GGN pilots are not sufficient or 250 kids from college are bad is just funny.

Cause military pilots used to do that for non-military pilots. looks like this is the new trend.

I am sure everyone has a different story and had struggled on different paths but it looks like who ever goes up forgets where and how they started. :|
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It's mostly jealousy, Subconscious or otherwise. "My way sucked way harder and at the time I had it way worse. No way these guys should get it easy" We're all guilty in one form or another.
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C-GGGQ wrote:
Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:22 am
It's mostly jealousy, Subconscious or otherwise. "My way sucked way harder and at the time I had it way worse. No way these guys should get it easy" We're all guilty in one form or another.
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I mean I have a friend who went to the Philippines. Paid $30k for an A320 Type rating straight out of school. Now is hired at Air Asia. My wife asks why I don't do it. I say its because paying for the rating is cheating. Cause that's what we say in Canada. Truth is if I was still 20.... That's the equivalent of 1 year of U of T Law. With a Guaranteed job on the other side... in a country with my inlaws.. yeah I can't afford 30k more in debt and a 3-4 month course without work and then 3-4 months selection/ waiting for groundschool to pay that loan back... but I'd be a filthy liar if I said I'd NEVER do it.
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Good day,

All the judgement and hate against instructors aside, I would like to know the current updates on this topic?
What are the chances of applying as a 1000TT instructor? If accepted, is there a choice between flying the RJ vs Q400 or do low time pilots start at Q400 and upgrade? Or you just have no choice and they put you wherever?
Looking to move on from instructing soon and beginning to explore my options.

Appreciate all the answers. Don’t hesitate to PM as well, I would like more info since I’m very interested with Jazz. Thanks!
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FlackoJodye wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:56 am
Good day,

All the judgement and hate against instructors aside, I would like to know the current updates on this topic?
What are the chances of applying as a 1000TT instructor? If accepted, is there a choice between flying the RJ vs Q400 or do low time pilots start at Q400 and upgrade? Or you just have no choice and they put you wherever?
Looking to move on from instructing soon and beginning to explore my options.

Appreciate all the answers. Don’t hesitate to PM as well, I would like more info since I’m very interested with Jazz. Thanks!
Current hiring requirements are 1000TT with 250 multi. Jazz also prefers candidates with 703/704 operational experience. However total time is total time, can’t lose anything by applying.

As for your question about aircraft type and bases; this is all decided on day 2 of ground school and you will get to pick based on a variety of positions available to the class, based on the seniority number you draw. So, a 250 hour Jazz APP hire might get the RJ, a 5000 hour MEDEVAC driver might get a classic. It can go either way.
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FlackoJodye wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:56 am
Good day,

All the judgement and hate against instructors aside, I would like to know the current updates on this topic?
What are the chances of applying as a 1000TT instructor? If accepted, is there a choice between flying the RJ vs Q400 or do low time pilots start at Q400 and upgrade? Or you just have no choice and they put you wherever?
Looking to move on from instructing soon and beginning to explore my options.

Appreciate all the answers. Don’t hesitate to PM as well, I would like more info since I’m very interested with Jazz. Thanks!
The hiring qualifications on their website are 750 TT and 100 multi. I think with 1000 hours of instructing and some multi to go with it you would have a pretty good shot.
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Any reason why they wouldn't reply to someone with 4600+hrs 800+hrs multi turbine time with multi-crew and FMS experience? Application has been sitting for months. Done a few updates but nothing. I feel like I'm doing something horribly wrong but none of my friends can tell me what.
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joenm wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:05 pm
Any reason why they wouldn't reply to someone with 4600+hrs 800+hrs multi turbine time with multi-crew and FMS experience? Application has been sitting for months. Done a few updates but nothing. I feel like I'm doing something horribly wrong but none of my friends can tell me what.
The thing you did horribly wrong was applying to Jazz. You should be applying to AC. In this market, you are overqualified for a regional carrier.
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Heres a question. Ill be sitting with a brand new ATPL soon. Instructed all of it and have basically no multi time (25hrs). However I have lots of single IFR time. COVID 19 aside and when the world is normal again.... How likely is it to get in?
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780Pilot wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:22 am
Heres a question. Ill be sitting with a brand new ATPL soon. Instructed all of it and have basically no multi time (25hrs). However I have lots of single IFR time. COVID 19 aside and when the world is normal again.... How likely is it to get in?
Impossible. You need some sort of multi time or single turbine experience.
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Won’t be hiring for a very long time so if you can get any experience somewhere else I would do it. I doubt there will be any Jazz hiring this year for sure and 2021 is doubtful.
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Answer: nobody knows. Everything is speculation right now. Just never give up on your goals.
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780Pilot wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:22 am
Heres a question. Ill be sitting with a brand new ATPL soon. Instructed all of it and have basically no multi time (25hrs). However I have lots of single IFR time. COVID 19 aside and when the world is normal again.... How likely is it to get in?
I can sympathize with your current situation, you busted your a$$ getting your licenses and hours up and now you’re pumped to finally expand your career. The unfortunate thing is our industry has taken a kick to the nuts and your timing is awful.

Let me push your question back to you and hear what you have to say....

“How likely / long do you think it’ll be to get into a company like Jazz where they just laid off 675 pilots. Who all have first rights to return to work before the company even remotely considers looking to the streets, especially ones with limited time and experience like what you’ve outlined above?”

I don’t mean to be harsh, but we’re all getting smacked with a dose of reality here.

Stay healthy.

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This is a career in aviation going forward.
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I can sympathize with your current situation, you busted your a$$ getting your licenses and hours up and now you’re pumped to finally expand your career. The unfortunate thing is our industry has taken a kick to the nuts and your timing is awful.

Let me push your question back to you and hear what you have to say....

“How likely / long do you think it’ll be to get into a company like Jazz where they just laid off 675 pilots. Who all have first rights to return to work before the company even remotely considers looking to the streets, especially ones with limited time and experience like what you’ve outlined above?”

I don’t mean to be harsh, but we’re all getting smacked with a dose of reality here.

Stay healthy.

T
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Yah its pretty shitty currently however things eventually will change. People cant afford to self isolate for weeks on end. Better use my connections I currently still have.
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faculties11 wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:45 am
As the title states I'm sitting at 1000+ hrs.

Trying to figure out the next move.
All depends whether you score enough diversity points with Jazz. I have 1900 hours with ATPL signed off, 900 multi turbine time. Got PFOd. Personally, I though it was the best interview experience that I've ever had, and they seemed to like every answer I gave them....
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